Morning Reads for Tuesday, October 24

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Indypendant
Indypendant

Mr. Dollar (how ironic) might change his mind about AirBnB if the house next door to his was being rented out for orgies every weekend.

Benevolus
Benevolus

Yes, maybe instead of restricting local regulation altogether they could just make it a “no orgies” restriction!

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

Karen Handel is poised to deliver to her constituents….. A GOP tax plan that the Tax Policy Center says would result in one-quarter of American taxpayers would paying higher taxes by 2027, including 30 percent with incomes between $50,000 and $150,000 and 60 percent of those making between $150,000 and $300,000. The North Fulton and East Cobb precincts that voted for her will love that. Disregarding the increase in the deficit—Perdue already has, except when spending doesn’t suit him personally—the GOP plan routes half of the benefits in the first year to the top 1% of taxpayers, and 30 percent… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Checked Twitter and saw the President’s latent daddy issues are cropping up again. Maybe one of the grown-ups should sit him down for some quiet time with an episode of Fox & Friends. Meanwhile, GOP leadership is just brushing off the fact our President is using Twitter to attack Bob Corker like an aggrieved Taylor Swift fan and trying to keep their heads down long enough to pass massive tax cuts for their wealthy friends.

chamblee54
chamblee54

Does any government have an elected dog catcher? https://chamblee54.wordpress.com/2017/10/24/who-elects-the-dog-catcher/

Benevolus
Benevolus

When do we get a post-debate mayoral poll?

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Honest question for the Republicans around here:

Roy Moore has said that homosexuality should be illegal and that SCOTUS’ decision in Windsor (aka, the “gay marriage case”) was worse than the Dred Scott decision. At what point do a candidate’s beliefs and positions become so abhorrent that the Party rescinds an endorsement and how has Roy Moore not reachedthat point?

Noway2016
Noway2016

Because we agree with him on more than we disagree with him on. Pretty simple. Ohhhhh, you think Georgia Marble will be tasked with the carving of the 10 Commandments statue that will be positioned by his desk in the Senate?

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

I’m just trying to unpack this. Doesn’t basic human decency outweigh policy goals at some point? The GOP is currently lining up in lock step behind a candidate who not only refuses to recognize the civil rights of American citizens, but actually thinks its a bad thing rights have been afforded to gays and lesbians at all. Would “Constitutional” conservatives like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee still hold fundraisers for him if he said interracial marriage should be illegal? He’s also said Muslims shouldn’t be allowed to serve in Congress? Noway, would you really tolerate a candidate that said the… Read more »

evergreentree
evergreentree

Basic human decency? That is fine. I will say that Republicans will take the position that a candidate should be disqualified because he is too far to the right when Democrats start rejecting anyone for being too far to the left. Not because they cannot be elected or because their ideas are unworkable. But rather their views are too extreme and as a result are repugnant, dangerous and should be rejected out of hand by all moral people. I am not talking about actions mind you i.e Stalin being wrong about the whole mass murder repression gulag thing. I mean… Read more »

Benevolus
Benevolus

I would like some examples of lefty positions that are ” repugnant, dangerous”.

Hopefully something on par with racism and misogyny.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Find me a Democrat advocating the criminalization of an entire class of American citizens. Find me a Democrat advocating the removal and denial of Constituinally protected rights to American citizens based on their religion or their sexual orientation. You find me that Democrat and we’ll talk. It’s interesting you characterize my criticism of Moore as being “too far to the right.” My criticism is that Moore is the textbook definition of a bigot and has a documented history of abusing his office to act upon his bigotry. I wish I was being hyperbolic. It has nothing to do with where… Read more »

evergreentree
evergreentree

Andrew C. Pope and Benevolous: Well you guys prove my point: for the left the term “left wing extremist” (based on ideology and not on, say, violent actions) do not exist. Which forfeits you the privilege of being taken aback when right wingers take the same stance with their own camp. “Find me a Democrat advocating the criminalization of an entire class of American citizens.” Sigh. The “lost cause” revisionists have to give up their Confederate symbols, especially those that were erected to protest desegregation because such things constitute injuries to the sensitivities of the descendants of those impacted by… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

I miss Eiger, if y’all can’t tell. But tell me why the children of Cuban, Chinese, Soviet and Vietnamese refugees have to put up with all the Che Guevara/Castro hagiography? Not sure how some college kid wearing a Che t-shirt is in any way equivalent to the Republican Party’s nominee for U.S. Senate calling for homosexuality to be made illegal, stating that Windsor was worse than Dred Scott, and saying Muslims should be banned from serving in Congress. That is active and obvious bigotry spewing from the mouth of a candidate for the United States Senate. Like I said, find… Read more »

evergreentree
evergreentree

Andrew C. Pope: There you go. You exhibit what I am talking about. Start with the fact that bigotry is not the only dangerous, extreme, offensive ideology. “There was no official tie between BLM and the shooting in Dallas, so I’m not really seeing the point” Suppose 5 black people had been killed at a Tea Party rally by someone espousing the same beliefs as the Tea Partiers. Certainly you would have stated “There was no official tie between the Tea Party and the hate crimes” in that case too right? Allow me to submit that there was as much… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Ok, so for the record. You’re saying that calling for the criminalization of homosexuality or banning Muslims from serving in Congress is equivalent to saying “cops shouldn’t shoot unarmed black people.” If this is the level our politics have sunk to, that we can’t even call out straight-up bigotry when it rears its head. That we can’t point to some guy doing a low-rent George Wallace impression and say “advocating to strip American citizens of their Constitutional rights on the basis of their religion or sexual orientation is not what _________ Party stands for.” It’s no wonder Flake and Corker… Read more »

evergreentree
evergreentree

Andrew C. Pope: No. I am saying that there are more extreme, dangerous and offensive ideologies out there than bigotry and that the left is capable of them. Your refusal to acknowledge this is part and parcel of what has gotten us to this moment. And as for bigotry: http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2017/08/12/stacey-evans-gets-rocky-reception-at-netroots-conference/ Also: ” is equivalent to saying “cops shouldn’t shoot unarmed black people.”” Look at Black Lives’ Matter’s actual policy agenda shall we? https://policy.m4bl.org/platform/ They want to end incarceration. (In one part they call for an end to private jails … and in another they call for an end to public… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

No. I am saying that there are more extreme, dangerous and offensive ideologies out there than bigotry and that the left is capable of them. Yet you’ve only identified Che t-shirts, mainstream feminism, and folks advocating for Black equality and racial justice. Again, find me a Democratic candidate or elected official that is actively arguing to take Constitutional rights away from Americans based upon gender, race, sexual orientation, religion, age, national origin, etc. that still enjoys the support of the national party apparatus. They want to end incarceration. (In one part they call for an end to private jails …… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016
Noway2016
Noway2016

Where has Eiger been? And Bart? I’m gonna sponsor an “In Search of…” episode if they don’t show up soon!

The Eiger
The Eiger

I’m here. I just find that I have nothing to really say anymore and I have no desire to defend this president. Or this congress anymore. I just want to drink bourbon, fly fish and forget about 2016 and 2017 now.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Well, just making sure you’re ok! And your alternative activities sound good. You’ll be back when you’re ready! Cheers!

Will Durant
Will Durant

Harrumph!

I agree with those sentiments so strongly that I will even give away my autumn secret for North Georgia streams. Tellico Nymphs.

The Eiger
The Eiger

I have some of those in my fly box. I’ll have to try them out the next time I’m in Georgia. I’m trying to find a new spot to cast a line in Virginia now.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Eiger, I think Flake and Corker have reached the same conclusion.

The Eiger
The Eiger

There are a lot of us that are over his fake conservative shit.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Jeff Flake to retire. Maybe JD Hayworth runs for it.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Serious comment. The race with Moore is gonna be very indicative of national mood. If he wins, then Trump supporters will be big force next year. If Moore loses, then it will be a pretty big blow to the power of the Deplorables. If that happens, 2016 may have been a one-time thing. Now, I’ll deny I ever wrote this ehen I resume my partisan role! 🙂

The Eiger
The Eiger

I would caution reading anything into a race in Alabama.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Bad, bad idea. Enough PC stuff, please. Or I’m gonna go fishing with Eiger. It’s the job of men to cherish and protect women. Been that way since Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon days.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/24/pentagon-advocates-requiring-women-to-sign-up-for-/

Benevolus
Benevolus

And apparently some haven’t changed much since then.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Wow! I’m not used to getting compliments from you! Thanks!

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Israel doesn’t seem to have much issue with compulsory service for women. I don’t think this has anything to do with being P.C. The goal is to expand the number of potential able-bodied adults in the event of a draft. Given the physical shape of some of the frat guys I saw hanging around UGA the other day, we could use the help.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Point taken but Israel has, like, a population of 7. They really do need all they can get. We, on the other hand, should never, ever entertain that idea. Women are sacred.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Women are sacred? Tell that to Donald Trump. Better yet, pass the ERA and give women equal pay for equal work.

If you’re going to have a draft, everyone should be in that draft. We’ve got female Marines, soldiers, sailors, and airmen (airwomen?) that are kicking butt and taking names and proving that the girls are just as capable as the boys. If you’re so against the notion of conscripting women into military service, just do what Sweden did and get rid of the draft entirely.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Relax, Drew. I’m old school and at least, I think, 30 years older than you. To quote Popeye, “I yam ehat I yam…” I won’t be changing my view on this.

bethebalance
bethebalance

Even paternalistic men can offer both protection and equality simultaneously.
Some might call it equal protection.

Noway2016
Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

So the pee tape is real?

Noway2016
Noway2016

Lol! You wish…

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

But on a serious note, why is anyone surprised the DNC and Clinton campaign took over oppo research started by one of Trump’s GOP opponents? Are we really supposed to believe Trump wasn’t paying people to investigate Clinton (maybe it was the same folks he sent to Hawaii to find Obama’s birth certificate?)?

Noway2016
Noway2016

Well, I don’t know but a Lib rag like Wapo saw fit to break it…I’ve got both Jiffy Pop and Redennbacher on the stove!

Benevolus
Benevolus

Dang. I was hoping the Heritage Foundation paid for it.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

While we were all sleeping, the Senate voted 51-50 (Pence was the tiebreaker) to rprevent Americans from forming class action lawsuits against banks, payday lenders, and credit card companies.

Didn’t realize when Trump talked about the “forgotten men and women,” he was referencing Wells Fargo and Equifax.

evergreentree
evergreentree

Maybe Trump – who has been wont to exploit our bankruptcy laws in the past – will veto it.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Andrew,
No place to click reply for your past. You mention not calling out bigotry, right? What do you call universities trying to wipe out “White Priviledge?” And politicians having to cower when they say “all lives matter?” Well, apparently to those offended by that “hate” speech, only Black Lives Matter. Please recognize your side is every bit as bigoted as what you feel the white folks’ side is…

evergreentree
evergreentree

Rather than forcing women to register for selective service, wouldn’t a better solution be to have no one be forced to register for selective service?