August 27, 2018 7:00 AM HomeMorning ReadsMorning Reads for Monday, August 27, 2018 Morning Reads for Monday, August 27, 2018 By Theresa Garcia Robertson Morning Reads 92 Comments Happy Monday! Only 9 more Mondays until Election Day. Campaign News: On Saturday, Republicans from across the state gathered in Perry for the 8th Congressional District’s Annual Fish Fry. Criminal Justice makes it’s mark on the campaign trail, creating “the great divide” between candidates. Georgia Carry is feeling good about November. Stacey Abrams is working towards voter turnout in every part of Georgia. Georgia: School bus traffic laws are changing. For now. Two people who lived at a New Mexico compound where 11 starving children were found in early August allegedly planned to carry out a terrorist attack at Grady Memorial Hospital. If you didn’t watch any of the Little League World Series with Georgia’s own Peachtree City playing for the title, you missed out. Tybee Island set aside $300,000 for sandbags. U.S.: Proposal picking up steam to change the name of the Russell Senate Building for John McCain. A Mass Shooting in Jacksonville, Florida leaves 3 dead and almost a dozen injured. Paid “fur-ternity” leave is a real thing. Funeral plans for Senator John McCain are being released. Mollie Tibbits laid to rest in Iowa. No love lost between Steve Jobs and his daughter in her new tell-all book. Neil Simon died early Sunday morning in New York. Tesla will remain public. Everyone is shocked, I know. Share this:TwitterFacebookTumblrRedditEmailPrint Related About Author Theresa Garcia Robertson Wife. Geege. Foodie. Political Junkie. Southern Enthusiast. Taco Lover. 92 Comments Noway2016 Another effort to Erase Our History…These kids will create ‘their own’ oath. How cute!! I know, I know, I know… how bout the GaPol Libs enter or contribute their own little lines as part of this pledge? With your collective creativity, I look forward to yalls contributions… http://eagnews.org/parents-fight-back-after-school-drops-pledge-of-allegiance-for-student-authored-oath-to-global-society/ August 27, 2018 8:12 AM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope That’s nothing. We started every day at DOJ with a prayer to Allah and a loyalty oath to the Deep State. August 27, 2018 9:16 AM Log in to Reply bethebalance You clearly have no idea how history works. Maybe you don’t even believe in the principle of evolution. Maybe all you have is One Note, and when others want to sing a different note, it’s all “Kids have no respect nowadays!” It’s called innovation. It’s called diversity. It’s called originality. It’s called American. Quick Q: Do you support anyone writing their own wedding vows or must everyone say the same exact thing all the time? There are infinite ways to love our Country- and our spouses. And we should find innovative and authentic and newly relevant ways to do so. Maybe folks should appreciate that. Or you can just complain like an old rusted tin man how we all can’t be robots with the range of One Note. Or just force folks to do it the way we want. Now that sort of authoritarianism sounds like a real Trump America! August 27, 2018 9:16 AM Log in to Reply Noway2016 “You clearly have no idea how history works…” LOL! Ask Mike Dukakis how “history worked” for him after dissing The Pledge…LMAO! August 27, 2018 9:26 AM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Now, now…Don’t deflect, Balance! Be a Good Little Liberal…” I’ll attach The Pledge, just so you can see… Ok? Here it is. “I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.” Ok. Now you just put in your little changes. Be as creative as you want! Express yourself!!! August 27, 2018 9:31 AM Log in to Reply bethebalance Oh, I’ll write you one. But I take pride in my work, so it will take time. In the meantime, you history buff, do you know anything about the actual history of the pledge? Spoiler alert (an unsurprising one, as it the issue clearly riles you and other One-Note snowflakes): The pledge was perpetuated in part because of fear of immigrants. Perhaps more surprising: The original pledge a nice salute reminiscent of the Heil Hitler salute. Got rid of that, which shows WHY you embrace the power of evolution. Or would you prefer to still participate in that autocratic fascist salute 😕 As for the political implications, that’s a different story. Sure, Kemp will use it to drum up the One-Note snowflakes amongst the party, and Trump will use it to deflect the news cycle, and increase loyal allegiance from the One-Note lemmings who like strong authority figures telling them how to live their lives- or at least affirming that the only real way to live their lives is by doing the same thing they’ve been doing for 70 years. (because underneath every change in this world is a snowflake shuddering in fear at the possibilities of new or alternative ways of doing things). But the politics of it is different than the substance. As for Dukakis, I don’t remember much about him except that people used to not take him seriously. August 27, 2018 9:46 AM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Getting rid of America As Founded. That’s yalls goal. You guys been pecking away for decades. But TGM’s election at least put you back on your heels. You know what I think riles yall up worse than anything he’s done since he was elected? His references to God. To quote Keith Jackson, ‘Whoaaaaaa, Nellie!” Yall want that I attach another Christian reference from an Inaugural Address? No trouble at all. Really. August 27, 2018 9:53 AM bethebalance I’ve been a Sunday School teacher for over twenty years, and have an advanced religious studies degree. I bring God into any circumstance that I can. In fact, that may take some people initially by surprise, but it is always embraced, even by folks who don’t go to church or synagogue or whatever all the time. It is not God, but Trump’s disingenuous invocation of God, that bothers people. He uses God’s name for his own personal ambition, which is using God’s name in vain. I can think of at least 4 other commandments he has violated, just offhand. But you go ahead and support your false prophet. August 27, 2018 10:01 AM Andrew C. Pope I go to services with some frequency and I was Roman Catholic (grew up Catholic, went to Catholic school, and taught Sunday school for 5 years before falling in love with a Jewish girl and converting) for a long enough chunk of my life to know what went down in the New Testament as well. . Pretty sure DJT ticks the boxes for all 7 deadly sins on a daily basis. Honestly, I don’t think there’s a single moment where I can say the President of the Untied States is not being lustful, gluttonous, lazy, wrathful, greedy, envious, or prideful. That’s not even scratching the surface of his inability to complete even one of the Works of Mercy, unless you count throwing paper towels at some hurricane victims. When has he born patiently those who have wronged him? When has he sheltered the homeless or comforted the afflicted? . I’m also not aware of any portion of the Bible, Torah, Koran, or any other religious text that says “well, actually, cheating on your wife and paying off your mistresses with hush money is a good thing.” . Donald Trump is a moral dumpster fire that wouldn’t know God if he got struck infested with boils and struck by lightning. From your effusive praise of him, it seems that the lessons of Bible have bypassed you as well. August 27, 2018 10:39 AM Noway2016 “I’m also not aware of any portion of the Bible, Torah, Koran, or any other religious text that says “well, actually, cheating on your wife and paying off your mistresses with hush money is a good thing.” But you’re ok with said wife (Hillary) destroying said mistresses through The Bimbo Eruptions Unit? Fine, fine example of Christiandom at its best! August 27, 2018 11:13 AM Andrew C. Pope Ah, “whataboutism,” the surest sign that the person you’re talking to doesn’t have anything worthwhile to offer in their own defense. August 27, 2018 11:21 AM Ellynn Why not use the pledge, as originally written? Instead we had to ‘Erase Our History’ and change the words in the 1950’s. August 27, 2018 9:53 AM Log in to Reply Caroline It would seem that most conservatives have no idea that the pledge was changed. August 27, 2018 9:59 AM bethebalance Per the above comment, Noway seems to think the Founding Fathers wrote the pledge. August 27, 2018 11:24 AM downthemiddle Dang Andrew …did you read the part of “casting the first stone?!” Looks like you have both barrels blazing again today my boy. Boils and lightning! Lord, Moses why don’t you send 7 plagues!! Turn the Chattahoochee red! Boy you sure would be a great one to be appointed judge and jury! Seems like you spend most of your days talking down to most of us. Anyone getting visions of Barabas or is it just me? You need to work on the cuss words and bitterness. That is for your own good. Aint a bit of it bothering me. If you hate someone, it usually consumers the hater not the hated. It is not an attractive trait. And Jesus wasn’t too impressed by the Pharisees that seemed so pious and he pretty much just tolerated Caesar and the politicians. I loved his answer ” pay unto Caesar what is Caesar’s! Brilliant answer! I don’t recall all of the anger you seem to have pent up emphasized in the New Testament. The gnashing of teeth, which you are so good at, was part of the Old Testament and I much prefer the optimism and message of the New. Was Clinton a dumpster fire? Kennedy…John or Teddy, not sure about Bobby? LBJ? Caesar, Pilot? …most of us? Again I hope your kids don’t inherit your attitude, at least the one you show here. Just curious, are you Christian or Jewish at this point? By the way, I don’t care and respect both. August 27, 2018 11:24 AM Andrew C. Pope You need to work on the cuss words and bitterness. . I don’t cuss on here. Please don’t conflate me with other folks or with your invisible friends. . Seems like you spend most of your days talking down to most of us. . Correcting obvious factual inaccuracies or outright lies and requesting that you cite actual evidence is not “talking down” to you, it’s trying to engage you in adult discussion and discourse instead of conspiracy theory. . Was Clinton a dumpster fire? Kennedy…John or Teddy, not sure about Bobby? LBJ? Caesar, Pilot? …most of us? . As I previously stated to Noway, or you (not really sure where one of your split personalities ends and the other begins): whataboutism is an admission that you don’t actually have an argument on your own behalf. As for “most of us” I can happily report that I’ve been faithful in my marriage and have zero outstanding hush money payments to women either inside or outside the adult entertainment industry. I may not keep as Kosher as I should and I’m certainly not perfect at honoring the Sabbath, but I do a better job of living the message of Torah than the odious oaf in the Oval Office. . As for your last question, I converted from Catholicism to Judaism seven years ago and my wife and I are raising our two girls Jewish. August 27, 2018 11:38 AM bethebalance Impromptu study for you: 1) We are commanded to point out what our neighbors are doing wrong, to avoid repressed hatred, and to not enable or be complicit: Leviticus 19:17 — “You shall not hate your brother in your heart: you shall rebuke your neighbor frankly, so you will not share in his guilt.” (Interestingly, this verse is just one sentence before a command to “Love your neighbor as yourself.”) 2) Not everybody takes the criticism well, but how they take it is a reflection of their character: Proverbs 9:8— “Don’t rebuke one who scorns/mocks/ is arrogant, because they will hate you for it; but if you rebuke a wise man, he will love you for it.” (note: that’s my own paraphrasing) 3) Even though Jesus used to the power to rebuke, his words were often misused by those who would rather be arrogant than wise: Babylonian Talmud Arachin 16b– “R. Tarfon said, ‘I wonder whether there is anyone in this generation who can accept reproof, for if one says to him, ‘Remove the mote from between your eyes,’ he would reply, ‘Remove the beam from between your eyes!’ ” The totality of the lesson: Rebuke because you must, but rebuke with wisdom. And accept the criticism with wisdom, even if the one doing the rebuking is imperfect. Now I feel terribly guilty for all my imperfections, and for not saying more against all the conspiracy idiocy sooner. Thanks. August 27, 2018 1:13 PM downthemiddle Anywhere you see liberals infest, this is what you get. Please libs, tell us what the new liberal pledge should be? August 27, 2018 9:43 AM Log in to Reply bethebalance Let’s see what this Atlanta school comes up with. Why do you need a replacement like right now? Good work takes time to create and simmer. If you guys were alive in 1892, you’d berate the guy who wrote the pledge, and want on a campaign to have it become popularly used. Who needs some liberal school board telling our children what to say every morning? August 27, 2018 9:49 AM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope I pledge to spend this day and every day thanking my Creator for not making me into an impotent old man who tries to get the attention he doesn’t get at home by acting like a douchebag in a blog comment section. . . . I’ll admit it isn’t my best work. But this is what happens when you put in tight deadlines. . By the way, DTM, still waiting on evidence that the Mueller investigation was improperly initiated and your response to how Obama specifically raised your income tax rate. August 27, 2018 9:52 AM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Awww Nawwww… Stormy to testify! https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/stormy-daniels-vows-testify-donald-13139717 I wonder if it’ll look anything like this? http://beta.veoh.com/m/watch.php?v=v21182718xPs3jTzA August 27, 2018 9:24 AM Log in to Reply Caroline The problem isn’t Stormy testifying. The problem is Donald is going to have to testify under oath now. August 27, 2018 9:53 AM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Really? August 27, 2018 11:07 AM Log in to Reply downthemiddle This is great news. We can see who has the biggest boobs! Stormy or the democrats!! Sorry Stormy! August 27, 2018 9:39 AM Log in to Reply Ellynn For those not following along with the Little League World Series, Congratulations to Hawaii. After the weekend your state has had, they need a little pick me up. August 27, 2018 10:09 AM Log in to Reply bethebalance I was also super impressed with the sportsmanship and good spirit of the Peachtree City team. Congrats to them also for such an exceptional season. August 27, 2018 10:29 AM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Amen to that! Brings back great memories of hundreds of ballgames! They aren’t worrying about politics nor should they. August 27, 2018 10:34 AM Log in to Reply Noway2016 More good economic news! Thank your Prez! https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/27/us-stocks-to-open-higher-after-powell-signals-further-rate-hikes.html August 27, 2018 10:20 AM Log in to Reply Ellynn The President took Powell to task in the last weeks for wanting to raise the interest rate, told reporter Powell was going to slow down his economic plan. August 27, 2018 10:38 AM Log in to Reply Will Durant I’m going to rise to the resident troll’s bait once again as he has recently admitted that he is only posting here for effect and I do hate playing into that but some of it should be countered. How many times do you suppose Donald Trump recited the pledge prior to dodging the Vietnam War draft 4 times? Or stood for the national anthem in salute of a flag that John McCain fought for in that same war while uttering statements like this about the man in 2015: “He’s not a war hero,” Trump said. “He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured… I don’t like losers…” August 27, 2018 12:09 PM Log in to Reply Dave Bearse I don’t know if Trump knows the words to the Pledge of Allegiance, but Trump demonstrated here in Atlanta that he doesn’t know the words to the Star Spangled Banner. August 27, 2018 9:33 PM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Will don’t make this so easy. Did Cliton write to the Colonel that he detested the military. You guys don’t give a rip about the military. You didn’t vote for McCain. Made fun of George W who was a fighter pilot, Obama did not serve which is fine and on and on. What Trump said about McCain was asinine. What Trump is doing for the conservative agenda is outstanding. Love the economic moves, the tax reform, the focus on job creation, lessening the regulatory burden, the hiring freeze in DC, the judicial moves, the military moves, encouraging small business formation. I have to hold my nose at some of his other things. Almost everything from the socialist agenda makes me want to hold my nose. August 27, 2018 12:41 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn Things you seem to over look… Obama put forward a corporate tax reform plan 3 times. It was shelved by the GOP. We could have gotten reform and helped the economy sooner, except that would give the democrats a ‘win’. A number of the job creation plans are knock offs of either democrat’s and/or Bi-particane proposals in the house prior to 2017, and Ivanka’s is similar to the one Hillary had listed on her website and Trump trashed in West Virginia. I A large number of funding like military and small business formation bills – could have passed prior to 2017, but at that time the GOP was more concerned over cutting spending and lower deficit spending – which is currently no longer a priority. American is not just conservative and liberals, but many like to make it so, if only to score the political ‘wins’. August 27, 2018 1:00 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope Made fun of George W who was a fighter pilot . George W. Bush wasn’t a fighter pilot, his father was. . You guys don’t give a rip about the military. . How so? August 27, 2018 1:33 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 You’re saying that W was not part of a fighter group? Never flew/piloted a plane? August 27, 2018 1:38 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn He did. Texas Air National Guard – to avoid the draft and direct combat August 27, 2018 1:56 PM Log in to Reply downthemiddle So being a fighter pilot makes you a draft dodger….only in liberal America. How many snowflakes do you are fighter pilots? August 27, 2018 2:04 PM Andrew C. Pope How many snowflakes do you are fighter pilots? . Say what now? August 27, 2018 2:23 PM Ellynn Personally – just 1, retired AF (he’s gay too). If you count Night Stalker pilots you can add my neighbor. Can I add the B-1 Bomber pilot I graduated from High School with? August 27, 2018 2:27 PM Andrew C. Pope Flying a plane doesn’t make you a “fighter pilot.” To my knowledge George W. Bush flew training flights as part of the National Guard service, but even those records aren’t clear on how many flights he completed and what duties he performed. To my knowledge, Bush never flew in any active duty context and was not involved in any combat missions. . So, no, George W. Bush was not a fighter pilot. August 27, 2018 2:01 PM Log in to Reply downthemiddle I was about to resort to his name calling. Lets be nice. He is an uniformed boob. I guess the snowflake press never let it be know that he was a fighter pilot. This is a supposedly informed snowflake. You know how clueless most snowflkaes are. They love the communists in their party and hate the founders. Andrew, did you ever take an economics course? Did you pass? August 27, 2018 2:02 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope If George W. Bush is a fighter pilot then Donald Trump is a long haul trucker… . http://www.thedrive.com/news/8596/president-trump-plays-in-semi-truck-at-the-white-house . Seriously, how many combat missions did W fly? August 27, 2018 2:08 PM downthemiddle So was W…idiot. August 27, 2018 1:56 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope Cool, want to list the number of combat missions W flew? I’ll wait. August 27, 2018 2:05 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Drew, are you affixing these posts elsewhere, too? You need to be heard, Little Buddy and not just here. Rooftops? Coffee houses? Public squares? Megaphones? Skywriting? Please give me even more hope!! August 27, 2018 2:11 PM Andrew C. Pope So you can’t answer the question and now you’re shifting to something else. . Good to know. I take it that’s why you didn’t tell me how much your taxes went up under Obama (because they didn’t) and why you haven’t provided the proof that the Mueller investigation was based solely on the Steele Dossier (because it wasn’t). August 27, 2018 2:12 PM Ellynn I actually did vote for McCain in 2000. I also give a rip about the Military. I have relatives who have or are serving and I have done pro-bona work for veterans. Dated a Naval officer between 1990-1992. Did the whole Gulf War girlfriend thing while his ship was part of the fleet firing off missiles with the USS Wisconsin. You really need to stop lumping everyone who does not agree with you or Trump all together under one label. August 27, 2018 2:18 PM Log in to Reply armanidog Interesting read: “Georgia Election Expert Tells Oconee County Republicans Their Party Should Hold On To Governor’s Mansion” “Recent trends show only a 200,000 vote gap between Republicans and Democrats, Bullock said, so Democrats only need to move a little more than 100,000 votes to win. Bullock said that Abrams, former House minority leader from Atlanta, hopes to make up the vote deficit by mobilizing more minorities. “Sure, she is glad to get any White votes that she gets,” Bullock said. “But her emphasis is going to be on trying to register and then turn out increased numbers of minorities.” Bullock said Abrams and Kemp, from Athens and currently Secretary of State, will be competing most intensely for White women… In the May Republican Party Primary, Kemp with 25.6 percent of the vote, ran second to Lieutenant Governor Casey Cagle, who got 39.0 percent in a five-person race. In the July Republican Party Primary Runoff, Kemp got 69.5 percent of the vote, to Cagle’s 30.5 percent. That 43.9 point swing in votes, from 26.5 percent to 69.5 percent, is the largest in Georgia runoff history going back to 1966, Bullock said. Bullock said Kemp’s controversial advertisement in which Kemp, holding a shotgun, interviews a young man who has an interest in his daughter, helped Kemp in the primary. Kemp obtained “earned media coverage, i.e, stuff he didn’t have to pay” for from the advertisement because of reactions locally and nationally, according to Bullock…” http://www.oconeecountyobservations.org/2018/08/georgia-election-expert-tells-oconee.html Stay home republicans, please stay home. August 27, 2018 12:46 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 God, we all love you, Armani! LOL! Do you REALLY think any Trump supporter is gonna stay home? I hope you don’t get your heart broken easily. Trump is the only man standing in the way of our country being fundamentally changed for the worse. Yall cannot indict a Sitting Prez. Oops!!! Yall ain’t gonna get 67! Oops! And regarding Stacey. She cannot win. She will not win. Rationalization is a wonderful thing! August 27, 2018 12:58 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Honestly, what is it about the Atlanta mayor’s office that seems to be of perpetual interest to the Feebs? https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/federal-subpoenas-target-former-atlanta-mayor-kasim-reed-his-brother/733755029 August 27, 2018 1:03 PM Log in to Reply MattMD_actual Come on out and say it. You know that you want to. The blacks, right? August 27, 2018 7:00 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Nice projection of your bigotry, Dr. Dingleberry! Wow! August 27, 2018 8:40 PM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Are you kidding me?! You are one hated filled gas bag. August 27, 2018 9:42 PM Log in to Reply O_O I think changing the name of the Russell building is a great opportunity to highlight how easy and painless it should be to replace memorials honoring segregationists with worthier subjects. I wonder if the Daughters of the you-know-what could ever see their way to replacing Old Joe in Gainesville with a Young John leaning on jet. August 27, 2018 1:10 PM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Go for it if folks feel better about it…Why not name it Hartsfield Jackson? I have no dog in the hunt. Its like sandblasting Stone Mountain. Have at it. A waste of time. If it floats your boat go for it. It changes nothing. August 27, 2018 9:44 PM Log in to Reply Dave Bearse I’m ambivalent about renaming the Senate Office Bldg. Unlike statues that were plainly erected to in the name of racism and to intimidate African-Americans (not all or maybe even most of the statues) where removal is a slam dunk if desired by locals, the Senate Office building was named for Russell’s good qualities of which there were many. August 27, 2018 9:50 PM Log in to Reply O_O I agree that this is distinctly different from the statues in that the intention is to honor McCain and not to minimize Russell. What I mean to say is that this can be good practice for switching this dusty old statue with this modern hero, since Russell’s segregationist views will doubtless come up in popular discussion, it’s an opportunity to show how easily we can find consensus. A federal building named after a senator most Georgians don’t know about for an actual G.I. Joe today, a symbolic (as in, not even a real person) confederate soldier for a popular hero tomorrow. I dunno. August 28, 2018 12:17 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn My friend from high school had two of her kids at Marquette doing part of this research. Worth your time. https://pilotonline.com/news/local/projects/jail-crisis/article_5ba8a112-974e-11e8-ba17-b734814f14db.html August 27, 2018 1:36 PM Log in to Reply alpha male Shorter version. Many of Trump’s accomplishments would have come to pass earlier were it not for Obama’s incompetence. August 27, 2018 1:38 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope How so? August 27, 2018 1:53 PM Log in to Reply downthemiddle How many air national guard pilots flew combat missions? Are they all woosies? Why don’t you tell them that? Love to see that!! How many folks in the Marine corp or Army were never on a combat mission? How many combat missions did Bill and Hillary participate in when they were protesting in Red Square? ….This is too easy….. August 27, 2018 2:08 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope Where did I call anyone a wuss? . Honestly, you suck at both reading and making sound arguments. The fact you made it through grade school (I assume) is a real testament to the low educational standards of whatever institution you attended. . You used the term “fighter pilot” to imply that George W. Bush completed a level of military service far beyond what he actually did. Flying training missions and doing laps of Houtson in an F-102 a couple times a year is not the same as active duty military service. You know this and, certainly, your imaginary black Marine friends know this as well. . Again, your attempt to resort to whataboutism once again signals your tacit acknowledgement that you’ve lost this argument on the merits. August 27, 2018 2:22 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Nawwwwwww… He’s just pointing out your side’s hypocrisy and inconsistency wherever it raises its ugly head!! August 27, 2018 2:28 PM Log in to Reply bethebalance I happen to agree that whataboutism can be a way to point out hypocrisy. But whataboutism also ignores the original charge of hypocrisy. So, instead of responding honestly to the substantive charge, whataboutism devolves the discussion into an elementary-age playground “I’m not; you are” level of discussion. Because guess what- if you want a world – and specifically any political party- devoid of hypocrisy and imperfection- you will never get what you want. The more mature and productive approach is to acknowledge and address any charge, and then do a whatabout, so that those counter-charges can be addressed. DTM actually did this for a second when he said that Trump’s comments abt McCain were in fact not good. As for the charge that any “side” doesn’t care about the military, that’s so broad and ambiguous that it has to be untrue by the very laws of probabilities. It’s also untrue because support for the military is what, like 99% in America? So, regardless of party, the military is supported and appreciated. But how you go about developing public policy in further support is where differences arise. So, instead of buying into the hogwash past marketing tools of Republicans– that Dems hate the military- it is much more useful to recognize the truth that most everybody cares about the military- then talk about how you improve veterans’ care, or the right size and details of the defense budget. August 27, 2018 3:13 PM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Fair enough Balance. I think all care about the military, but I do think the conservative side of the isle would be consider more “pro” military the other. Is that fair? I think the polls were 54% Trump, 25% Hillary and the other 21% preferred not to vote. All of us are tired of wars not well thought out or implemented as well as they could be. If we fight them, lets use overwhelming force and end them quickly, or maybe not at all. I am for things that work. Party be darned. I just don’t see much from the radical left that has much chance of working. Economically, almost no chance. August 27, 2018 4:05 PM bethebalance I’d say that the biggest difference on military and defense is that Dems would prefer to spend less overall on defense, and more on veterans health care, and vice versa. But much of the differences have been exaggerated by marketing/messaging, and frankly, I would pin the Republican messaging machine as painting Dems as “weak” on defense because of their preference for lower levels of defense spending. That said, Dems and Repubs tend to universally defend the bases and military industry contractors in their districts, without fail. And the differences in philosophy and action with regard to which conflicts we are engaged in tend to come after the fact– e.g. most folks were on board about invading Iraq at the start. So, I think the actual differences are smaller than as advertised. As for economics, all I can say is that supply-side approaches have been continually proven as much less effective than demand-side– if your goal is growth. But a minority of economists disagree, and in the end, supply and demand are functions of each other, so— you can’t really have Repub economics work without Dems’, and perhaps vice versa. But in the name of marketing and politics, the reality gets lost- the reality that the economy is a pendulum which swings back and forth, and needs to. What we want to avoid is extreme swings and stoppages. August 27, 2018 7:35 PM downthemiddle I have never heard from a more argumentative, bitter douche bag in my life. You have no sense of humor and call folks liars at the drop of a hat about things you have no idea about. How do you come up with this baloney? I am sure I am not the first person to tell you that. I pray you are better in person….I have not run into many folks like you. Your replies really are some of the reasons I get a chuckle at some of the replies on this blog –to see if folks really think the way you do…and YOU do. It does get tiresome. But it figures that this spew comes from a sniveling, radical lib. You epitomize why snowflake is such a derisive term and why most folks want nothing to do with this this hateful, clueless agenda.. August 27, 2018 9:50 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope The term “argument” implies that this is a good faith discussion. It is not. Nothing in your behavior suggests you have any interest in discourse or discussion and none of your posts give the indication you’re even capable of it. You exist to regurgitate the things you’ve read in email chains or had shouted at you by pill-hawking, cash-for-gold hucksters on TV and radio. At no point have you contributed an original thought to this blog. . “Argument” implies this is a discussion between equals. It is not. I think it’s been pretty clearly established that you are inferior. Your posts are little more than the bitter rantings of a sad old man angry that what was it isn’t it and what is it is scary and new. By the by, my determination that you are not my equal has nothing to do with your age or political beliefs, but everything to do with the way you carry yourself as someone on this blog. . We’re not having an argument, DTM, because you aren’t bringing anything worthwhile to the table. What we’re having is a discussion that you – like the spoiled, petulant old man you are – continually interrupts. You’re the drunk bitter uncle that ruins Thanksgiving dinner before passing out in the Barca lounger. Please, do us all a favor and go away. August 27, 2018 10:05 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Looking at your posts versus DTM’s, Drew, I gotta tell you yours are much more petulant – by far. Insults is all you brought un this last posting. As are most of yours. Name calling and more name calling. And now delusions of self-proclaimed superiority!!! God, you are a genuine cartoon! August 27, 2018 10:15 PM Andrew C. Pope Tweedle-dum riding to Tweedle-dee’s rescue. August 27, 2018 10:23 PM Noway2016 “I think it’s been pretty clearly established that you are inferior.” “By the by, my determination that you are not my equal…” I am still howling at this! LOL! I know I’ve mentioned that I’ve got a group of buddies that I meet with on a semi regular basis and that I print off a few of the Lib posts on here to take with me for entertainment purposes. Well, today is one of them days! I’ve called all the boys and said I’ve got one that will have them peeing their britches with laughter! I’ll tape it with the old smart phone and actually produce a real “pee tape.” Most of the gut busters in the past have included Andrew’s sputum-filled, hate-laced verbal diarrhea. Luckily for me, today will be no different! Awwwwww Nawwwwww!!! August 28, 2018 8:49 AM Andrew C. Pope peeing their britches with laughter . So you’re telling me that you’re incontinent? August 28, 2018 9:34 AM downthemiddle Trump and Mexico have come together today for a trade agreement that is much more favorable to the US. The EU is next week..Canada soon and likely China….This is directed to the liberals on the blog. Is this a bad thing? Were any liberals happy when Tax Reform brought back to the US between 2 and 4 trillion dollars that had been held overseas? How much economic growth and jobs will that help create here? Were any of you disappointed that the corporate tax rate– which had been the highest on earth prior to Trump taking office and was shoving jobs overseas –was reduced so that the US is much more competitive globally? Can anyone tell me something not to like about these events? August 27, 2018 2:36 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope that is much more favorable to the US . Please explain how this deal is “much more favorable” than our current trade commitments. August 27, 2018 2:40 PM Log in to Reply Dave Bearse The explanation may be that Fox News said so. August 27, 2018 9:55 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn You need to define Liberal. Is it actual liberals like Andrew, or is it any one who does not agree with you and/or President Trump? As a centralist, I would have liked if they addressed this in Obama’s 2011 corporate reform bill to bring that $2-4 trillion here in 2012. I would have liked it if they had measures in place of how companies could spend repatriated funds (like limiting the no. of share buy backs, CEO pay increases vs. total company pay increases, a cap on dividends issued, wage increases instead of bonuses, M & A guidelines). I would have liked a 24% cut instead of 21% with that 3 % earmarked for infrastructure projects. I would have liked it if they left my personal deduction in place. The new deal by the way does not lift steel & aluminum tariffs. What it does is allow US car manufactures to still build in Mexico if they use US steel. If you’re a US company that uses Mexican steel, you’re still screwed. August 27, 2018 3:06 PM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Ellynn you make solid points. I don’t really think the government controlling how companies spend their own money is actually a good thing. I see almost nothing the government is a very good steward of. It was doing no good overseas and I have been railing about that idiocy for a decade but no one did a darn thing about it until now. You should see an infrastructure bill soon. You might even get a liberal vote or two for that if they can get away from watching Stormy and Amaroso tapes. Seems like they have been against helping the American people for a long time. I wouldn’t worry much about the tariffs. They are bargaining chips. Nothing has worked against the Chinese for 40 years, has it? August 27, 2018 3:51 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn Here’s how the infrastructure bill is going to go if GOP still holds house. Point out the hundred of trillions of dollars needed for infrastructure. Point out how bad the current deficit is. Force the democrats to pick between infrastructure or funding social safety nets while still increasing military spending because you know – veterans, and then force a P3 agreement that is more friendly to corporate investors then the public end users, start messing with alternative funding, like a gas tax increase , a car buyers fee, etc… Reminder, one man’s bargaining chips is another man’s family farm. We got in this mess because Trump felt steel workers got a bad deal out of NAFTA (US steel was dying a good 20 years before NAFTA was signed). To ‘save steel jobs’ he is sacrificing US farms. August 27, 2018 4:32 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn A good reference on what is involved in a Public Private Partnership (P3) https://www.p3world.com/ August 27, 2018 5:00 PM downthemiddle The farmers love Trump and voted for him. So do most workers in this country. The left abandoned them ages ago. Do illegals streaming in the country help the US workers? He is keeping his promises. You will be seeing much more global trade and much fewer tariffs that have been ripping the US off for decades. Is anyone tired of paying Nato’s defense bill? Who had enough stones to confront that too? Maybe some of these sniveling folks will thank him. They can thank him for bringing back 2-4 trillion dollars back here too. What is it about a strong economy and pro growth policies that folks don’t like? August 27, 2018 9:59 PM Andrew C. Pope Paying NATO’s defense bill… Can you explain how NATO works? August 27, 2018 10:07 PM Ellynn The tax codes could had added carrot/stick taxes and or credits to repatriated funds. Example, if you use less the x % of funds on corporate leadership compensation, you get a tax credit to use towards the companies portion of federal taxes of employees.. Or have dividends over X % of repat funds taxed 1 % to the company. Give a credit for x % spent on R & D, prevent employee cutback of dual job holders through M & A for ex years after if repat money is used. Require mandatory job retraining for jobs lost through M &A. August 27, 2018 4:49 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn 3:41 Flag on White House lowered to half staff. (3 Major Veteran group letters later…) August 27, 2018 3:48 PM Log in to Reply MattMD_actual It is just amazing that this disgusting cretin is president of this country. Where is a heart attack when you need one? August 27, 2018 7:02 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Spoken like Hippocrates himself! Do no harm, Him-roid, do no harm! Lol!! August 27, 2018 7:23 PM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Have anyone ever seen Andrew and Matt at the same time? Two of the most pleasant folks I have ever run across… I have to hand it to you. You put the snow in snowflakes. These two sunny personalities deserve each other and are the epitome of radical liberalism. I don’t want to tar the average lib with them. I don’t think the average lib is that horrible. We don’t want em on our side. Some cancers just need to be cut out. Right Doc? August 27, 2018 10:04 PM Log in to Reply Dave Bearse The lowering of the flag to half staff is a demonstration of an immature President, not an admission of a mistake. McCain was “partially to blame” that Trump ordered the flag full staff, according to grifter Pruitt supporter, Trump cultist OK Senator Inhofe. “Show some respect for someone with the emotional stability of a petulant child.” [my snark quote] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-senator-mccain-is-partially-to-blame-for-controversy-over-white-house-flags/ar-BBMwY9J?ocid=spartandhp fNMi . August 27, 2018 10:08 PM Log in to Reply xdog Inhofe is also the big brain who brought a snowball to the Senate floor to demonstrate the fallacy of global warming. Any chance we could return Oklahoma to territory status? August 28, 2018 7:55 AM Log in to Reply bethebalance There was no apology- for the flag, for the comment which mocked McCain’s torture. So, no apparent spiritual growth. The Pres. remains a toddler, this time it was just the village that got together and coerced him to at least repent half-heartedly, and do the job that his parents never did. Until the Aunties and Uncles in the Repub party can demonstrate proper guardianship, we’ll be stuck with a petty man-child. August 28, 2018 9:25 AM Log in to Reply Ellynn Andrew… I was looking at the new Mexico agreement. Weren’t most of the issues covered had more favorable concession in our favor in the TTP? If that’s the case, wouldn’t staying in the TTP have given us better or equal terms for the Auto Industry? With out the steel and aluminum tariffs. August 27, 2018 11:14 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope NAFTA has a 62.5% rule of origin, which means that a Ford F-150 or Toyota Tacoma can qualify as duty-free if 62.5% or more of the content on an official list of parts was manufactured in the US, Mexico, or Canada. At the start of TPP negotiations, the Obama Administration estimated that the average NAFTA car was just 50% North American made. This was due to cars becoming more electronically sophisticated and the failure of NAFTA’s parts list failing to keep pace with those changes. . The rule of origin on cars/trucks was one of the most contentious parts of TPP discussions. Mexico and Canada wanted higher rules of origin, because it benefits their factories and keeps automobile and auto part production in North America instead of Japan. Japan wanted a 30% rule of origin so that Toyota, Mitsubishi, Honda, etc. could continue to rely on cheaper auto parts from China and Thailand. We ultimately hashed out a compromise with a 55% rule of origin and a streamlined approach to measure actual content of cars as opposed to referencing an arbitrary list of products.** . This agreement bumps the rule of origin up to 75%, which is a win for Mexico. I’m not so sure it’s a win for the United States. It’s not really clear that any additional jobs will go to the US rather than cheaper factories in Mexico. Even with the agreement’s “requirement” that 40% to 45% of production needs to be completed by workers earning at least $16 an hour, this deal may do more to increase worker wages in Mexico than it will to protect US auto manufacturing jobs. What it will do is lead to higher production costs for auto manufacturers and higher prices for consumers. Which I don’t think is a net positive. . Whether the TPP had “better terms” for the auto industry depends on who you ask. Labor unions thought TPP was a disaster, because a lower rule of origin would likely lead to fewer auto parts being made in the United States. Some of this fear was overblown, as the US is benefiting substantially from the increasing electronic sophistication of cars and a lot of our “auto parts” production capacity is moving away from brake pads and lug nuts and into computers and circuit boards. Looking at this as a whole, and not from the angle of a specific group, TPP was a “better” deal because it was comprehensive in scope and dealt with trade issues that touch the auto industry but aren’t a part of this deal, like steel and aluminum. . I’m not going to completely crap on this new agreement, because doing so is pointless. This isn’t a deal yet, by any stretch. Mexico is contemplating this as a three-way agreement to include Canada, a statement EPN made multiple times yesterday. In addition, Trump needs Congressional approval to both rip up NAFTA and enter into a new agreement. He’s not going to get that approval on either front. This, like the Rose Garden celebration for ACA repeal, was a big to-do about a whole lot of nothing, which is par for the course for our participation trophy President. **NAFTA had a list of products that were used to measure automotive content, which wound up making the importation process laborious as manufacturers had to track down where the steering columns, lug nuts, and a bunch of other parts came from. A bunch of auto companies just decided to pay the tariff rather than dealing with the rigmarole of conforming with the rule of origin requirements. August 28, 2018 9:32 AM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope Just to drive home how comprehensive TPP was: . The agreement had the strongest labor rules of any trade agreement in history, including a complete ban on labor discrimination, protections of the freedom to unionize, minimum wage protections, hour limits, worker safety requirements, and bans on child labor and forced labor. All of these would have made American workers more competitive against Asian competitors that have more exploitative workforces. In addition, the agreement eliminated tariffs on 18,000 US products (including $90 billion in US auto exports); killed regulatory barriers on US exports (like Japan’s non-tariff barriers that keep US cars, trucks, and auto parts out of their market); protected US exports of services in areas like insurance, accounting, and data services; established free international movement of data; limited state-owned enterprises (making us more competitive in Latin America and portions of Asia). TPP had expansive environmental protections regulating ship pollution, ozone chemicals, illegal fishing and logging, and wildlife tracking. All of these make the US more competitive with more exploitative, less-regulated countries, while simultaneously making the world a better place. TPP had intellectual property protections that were based off of US approaches to patent and trade secret protection and included enforcement measures that would have protected US IP holders currently faced with IP theft in places like Vietnam and Malaysia. This was a significantly “better” deal than what we currently have in place. August 28, 2018 9:45 AM Log in to Reply Add a Comment Cancel replyYou must be logged in to post a comment.