Morning Reads — Thursday, August 9, 2018

On this date in 1945, the U.S. dropped an atomic bomb on Nagasaki. The bombing came three days after the bombing of Hiroshima. About 74,000 people were killed. Japan surrendered August 14.

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Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

For those that are a fan of podcasts, Slate has started releasing Season 2 of “Slow Burn.”
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Season 1 focused on Watergate and was a fascinating look at how the scandal unfolded.
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Season 2 focuses on the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal. As someone who was in elementary school when it happened, episode 1 was an interesting look back at something I didn’t really understand when it was happening.
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https://apple.co/2M1HkAT

Ellynn
Ellynn

Elementary school… I was already out of High school for over 10 years. SMH.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

My presence on this blog serves two purposes: correcting factual inaccuracies and reminding people about the cruel drumbeat of time.

Noway2016
Noway2016

More Lib censorship! What’s next? Supermarket tabloids? National Enquirer, Weekly World News? “Batboy” better realize there be a target on his back!
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zahrahirji/youtube-climate-change-denial

Stefan
Stefan

Adding context would be pretty useful on the internet.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Can you please point me to the section of the First Amendment that protects one’s right to post factually dubious videos on Youtube? I can’t seem to find it.

Noway2016
Noway2016

You’re right. It ain’t there. Irrelevant, though. Whatcha scared of, Sniv?? Why censor anyway? Hmmmm…? Lemme ask you this… Thus far, y’all are pretty successful in shutting down Jones. It won’t last, however, and all this free publicity if making him more well known. “Don’t throw me in that briar patch!” Them damn unintended consequences. Ain’t they a bitch?? LOL! So, who you gonna stifle next? Got your sights set on Drudge? Breitbart? Ohhhhh, guess who was the number one searched term on Google yesterday??? “Info Wars!” Awwwwwwww Nawwwww!

Benevolus
Benevolus

Are you defending Alex Jones?? Really?
Re: search terms: I guess this is important because in your sad world popularity is more important than truth.

Noway2016
Noway2016

I’m defending free speech, so, yep! He says controversial crap. Hell yes he does. If he defamed the Sandy Hook families with his comments back then, then he’ll be ruled against in his upcoming lawsuit by them. Big money for the families. Psssst….B…you don’t have to listen. Pretend you’re back in your old Biscayne and turn the knob. my friend. He’s crazy as a loon, but he does not deserve to be censored. Same querstion to you, B. Whatcha scared of?

Noway2016
Noway2016

B? Is this quote familiar to you and your side of Book Burners?
“I may not agree with what you say, but I shall defend to my death your right to say it…”

Enjoy the Silence
Enjoy the Silence

NoWay, are you saying, effectively, that “Yeah, YouTube is a private business and can keep such content as Infowars out, but if people don’t want to hear it because they don’t like it or don’t understand it, they can just ignore it. YouTube should just let him speak.”

I just want to be clear.

Noway2016
Noway2016

I’ll be clear: YouTube can certainly censor content on their site. It’s private. My point is why would anyone, including YouTube, feel the need to censor opinions/viewpoints? The ‘turn the radio knob’ phrase was metaphorical.

Although, the “private entity” thing sure worked out for the Masters and the Boy Scouts, didn’t it. The Mob at The Gate sure shut them down.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

why would anyone, including YouTube, feel the need to censor opinions/viewpoints? . Because YouTube cares about user experience and, quite frankly, doesn’t want to run people off from the site because of its affiliation with a 9/11 and Sandy Hook truther like Jones. . The burden shouldn’t be on B or anyone else to “turn the dial.” Youtube has created the rules one must follow to access their platform. If Jones wants to be on Youtube he can follow the rules. If Jones doesn’t want to follow the rules, he can build his own site and compete against Youtube. That’s… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

Do you honestly believe that any person will not go to YouTube, a site with millions of videos from every imaginable subject, because Jones has 20 some odd videos on there, too? You’re an idiot!

Enjoy the Silence
Enjoy the Silence

NoWay, you asked why YouTube would “feel the need to censor opinions/viewpoints”. You then point out the mob at the gate shutting down the Masters and the Boy Scouts. From my reading of these comments over time I have noted that you are somewhat fond of “whataboutism” so I thought I would utilize that in this situation. What are your thoughts on Colin Kaepernick and the NFL? More specifically, why do you think the NFL would feel the need to censor his opinions/viewpoint? How do you feel about the “mob at the gate” threatening to shut down the NFL if… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

I think it’s less to do with Jones and more to do with the whole idea of fake news and conspiracy theories. . Youtube, Facebook, etc. are under a lot of heat for the role they played in the 2016 election: chiefly, serving as a conduit for broadcasting and amplifying fake news and conspiracy theories from folks like Jones. Facebook is one of the primary outlets for this, given the older nature of its user base when compared to Instagram, Snap, Twitter, etc. (In other words, all the old people are on Facebook now and old people are less skeptical… Read more »

Ellynn
Ellynn

“I may not agree with what you say, but I shall defend to my death your right to say it…”

You’re using a fake Voltaire quote from a Evelyn Beatrice Hall book from 1903 on Voltaire to justify the use of fake facts and fake stories….

Benevolus
Benevolus

I suppose it’s possible there are some liability issues too. They don’t want any involvement spreading crazy conspiracies that incite people to violence. And even if they can avoid legal liability, I’ll bet they don’t want the perception liability.

Benevolus
Benevolus

I’m defending free speech, so, yep!
You are not defending free speech. This has nothing to do with free speech. He still has his website. (and his ISP might put that in jeopardy if he keeps this crap up.)
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He says controversial crap.
It’s not controversial, it’s false, incitement to violence
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Whatcha scared of?
I think the Sandy Hook parents are scared because of this lunatics behavior. Are you calling them cowards?

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

A dude showed up at a pizza parlor armed with an AR-15 because Jones, Cernovich, and some other folks convinced him that there was a child sex trafficking ring being run out of the restaurant’s basement. . There was no sex ring and the restaurant didn’t have a basement. . When the character you’ve created to hawk sugar pills and doomsday supplies to a bunch of mouth-breathing morons causes someone to start holding restaurants hostage, then I think you’ve crossed the threshold from “controversial” to “actively dangerous to society.” . I’ll note again for the record that the guy who… Read more »

ScottNAtlanta
ScottNAtlanta

The thing about FB and the rest is that they are PRIVATE companies. It isnt a free speech issue. Alex Jones is free to say whatever he wants. He just isnt allowed to use their platform any more than I can force Fox News to put me on air to publish my speech.
Now, if you think FB and the other platforms control too much of what one could call the “public square” and need to be regulated as media companies…thats a different conversation.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Here’s a snippet from Infowars’ own terms of service: . “You will not post anything libelous, defamatory, harmful, threatening, harassing, abusive, invasive of another’s privacy, hateful, racially or ethnically objectionable, or otherwise illegal. You will not make threats to other users or people not associated with the site. If you violate these rules, your posts and/or user name will be deleted. Remember: you are a guest here. It is not censorship if you violate the rules and your post is deleted. All civilizations have rules and if you violate them, you can expect to be ostracized from the tribe.” .… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

“Sorry user” experience? Many of Jones’ videos have multiple millions of user views. Some folks will disagree with your characterization.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Some folks will disagree with your characterization. . And they’re more than welcome to. But apparently the folks crunching the numbers at Google, Apple, Facebook, Spotify, etc. determined that Jones and his reputation were costing them more users than he was bringing in. . While it’s easy to think that these companies are doing this because they’re liberal, I’d caution you that Silicon Valley liberalism is paper thin. Profit is goal #1, #2, #3 …. #100. The calculus has changed thanks to all the negative press Youtube and Facebook have gotten for serving as the vehicle of fake news during… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Ohhhhh, guess who was the number one searched term on Google yesterday???
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Mary G. Ross was the most searched term on Google yesterday. Infowars didn’t crack the top 20. It didn’t crack the top 20 on Tuesday either.
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Source: https://trends.google.com/trends/trendingsearches/daily?geo=US

downthemiddle
downthemiddle

Does that also apply to Al Gore videos too?

ScottNAtlanta
ScottNAtlanta

Whataboutism…what you use when you have nothing on your side. I was taught at a very young age that if I got caught doing something wrong that saying “what about my sister…she does it too” often would elicit a spanking

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Given his obsession with dudes in tights, DTM might like that, Scott.
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Note: I am not kinkshaming anyone.

Noway2016
Noway2016

The Whataboutism you speak of is used to cite an unabashed double standard that is applicable to whatever brought it up. Totally valid response to the given situation. It highlights hypocrisy.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

Manafort appears to be guilty of bank and tax fraud. Cohen may be charged with tax fraud. Ross at the Commerce Department has cause to pucker up. Yesterday the witch hunt charged early Trump supporter NY Congressman Chris Collins with insider trading.
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Who knew there were so many witches? Trump had better not have any loose ends, or we may see his tax returns after all

Caroline
Caroline

And there’s about 5 more GOP house members involved with Collins.

O_O
O_O

That’s not censorship, it’s more like editorializing. Censorship is closer to what the White House does when it revokes press access to journalists they don’t like.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

“A combination of factors will see federal agencies trying to spend as much as 40 percent of their budgets in the final two months of the fiscal year.”
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Spending as we all know is only bad when Democrats do it. Kind of sounds like the GOP Trump administration is going to throw money at it, whatever it is. It’s not like there’s a grifter in charge, and besides, it’s the fiscally conservative thing to do!

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

Gee, it only took a few months after the PSC approved continued spending on Vogtle for construction manager Southern Nuclear to increase the estimated cost to complete by $1.1 billion, 15%. Convenient timing, since knowing it would cost another billion more would’ve helped make clear Vogtle is a money pit. The projected increase included $400 million for contingencies, a flag that cost to complete may continue to increase. . The good news is there was no increase is the estimated construction time to complete. That’s only doubled since the project was announced (but costs are catching up). No worries though,… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

https://www.history.com/news/the-man-who-survived-two-atomic-bombs
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Story of the man who survived both the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings.

Indypendant
Indypendant

Noway, “I’ll be clear: YouTube can certainly censor content on their site. It’s private. My point is why would anyone, including YouTube, feel the need to censor opinions/viewpoints? The ‘turn the radio knob’ phrase was metaphorical.”

I’ll be clear, bakers can certainly refuse to bake cakes. It’s their bakery. My point is why would anyone, including a homophobic baker, feel the need to not bake a cake for a couple of guys?

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

Hotels, restaurants, hospitals, pharmacies, and retail stores are someone’s too. It’s their right to refuse service, am I right?

xdog
xdog

On this date in 1974, Richard Nixon resigned as president, helicoptered to Andrews where he boarded an official US plane (no longer Air Force 1) with Pat and Tricia, and departed to San Clemente. I watched the whole scene in real time and enjoyed every moment. I always note the anniversary.

Noway2016
Noway2016

New space on the thread. The other was getting really stretched in the IPhone. I first became aware of Jones maybe five tears ago. He did a video on Bohemian Grove, a place I have actually visited with “high ranking government officials.” (For the record, I saw no one doing crazy-assed things there…). There were other Jones videos to be watched. This guy is/was high octane, probably manic and often off the wall. And to anyone who can discern bombast and bullshit, completely harmless. I haven’t seen enough Shapiro to know why he’s “bad!”

armanidog
armanidog

I’m coming around to agreeing with you. By agreeing with a Republican I probably made my dad roll over in his grave.
Alex Jones is crazy and stirs up other crazy people but I’m more scared of the technical companies starting to censor non-criminal speech.
Facebook, YouTube, and Apple have way too much power these days.
I’m getting nervous about the USA in general, it seems like we are in a modern version of the 1917-1929 era.

Benevolus
Benevolus

Almost everybody censors speech. The rules are pretty relaxed around here these days, but do you think the owners would allow threats to people, or posting other members personal info? If you lived in a condo you would probably have an HOA with rules. And if you put big signs out in the common area saying “MY NEIGHBORS KIDS WEREN’T REALLY KILLED. THEY DIDN’T EVEN HAVE KIDS”, yeah, I think they might try to kick you out. Some around here are like that. All they do is let their dogs shit in the grass and don’t pick it up and… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

I’m more scared of the technical companies starting to censor non-criminal speech . It. Isn’t. Censorship. No one has a “right” to post on these websites, it’s a privilege contingent upon abiding by the rules set out by the website. If you don’t like those rules, don’t use Facebook, don’t use YouTube, don’t use Spotify, don’t use iTunes. It’s that simple. . Take this example… YouTube and Facebook don’t allow pornography on their sites. Are they “censoring” would-be homemade porn enthusiasts? No. They’ve established groundrules and folks who don’t like it can post their content elsewhere. If you want to… Read more »

armanidog
armanidog

“It. Isn’t. Censorship. ” You are right , I should have used “purge”, “withhold” , etc. From April Glaser on Slate, “One of the great ironies in this mess is that YouTube, Facebook, and Apple are all deciding to enforce community moderation policies against hate speech that they’ve long had on their books. Any one of them could have taken this action years ago. But they didn’t, perhaps fearing that they’d be labeled as censorious liberals executing a political agenda, as if there’s anything particularly partisan about preventing a popular and bigoted fabulist from using your services to spread lies… Read more »

Benevolus
Benevolus

I’m not worried about apple being labeled something by rightwingers. We see around here everyday that anyone is subject to demonization for any reason, perceived or real, that threatens their fantasy worldview.
Yesterday’s hero can be today’s enemy with one little slip of the tongue or thumb. Even Nunes is dangerously close to be cast under the bus today. When you are operating without principles, the rules can be pretty whimsical.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

they’re being labeled as left-wing tech companies acting out a political agenda by right-wing media critics. . That was going to happen regardless because folks like Jones rely on perpetuating a persistent victimization complex that keeps people locked into his program and buying his sugar pills. . As I said earlier, these companies tolerated Jones because he brought lots of eyeballs to their services. They stopped tolerating him when it no longer became profitable to traffic in conspiracy theories and right-wing quackery. We’re seeing the same thing with the advertisers who fled Brietbart. Allying yourself with coked out pieces of… Read more »

ScottNAtlanta
ScottNAtlanta

You’re confusing 2 separate conversations. FB and other platforms dont censor speech. They have rules for using their platform. Break the rules and you dont get to use it.
Now, if you think FB controls the vast amount of public speech, then there is a separate conversation as to how to regulate FB as a media company. Right now…they are not and dont have to abide by the same rules

armanidog
armanidog

Democrats raising Kaine “Democratic U.S. Sen. Tim Kaine holds a commanding 23-point lead — 49 percent to 26 percent — over Republican challenger Corey Stewart among likely voters in Virginia’s Senate race, according to a new statewide poll by the L. Douglas Wilder School of Government and Public Affairs at Virginia Commonwealth University. Twenty percent of likely voters and 57 percent of independents remain undecided. Stewart is attracting only 66 percent of Republican or Republican-leaning respondents so far and trailing Kaine by more than a 2-to-1 margin among those independents who have already decided for whom they will vote. By… Read more »

ScottNAtlanta
ScottNAtlanta

When I went to University of Richmond…I always thought the kids that went to VCU were much cooler. UR was a bunch of up tight white kids. (Thus most of my friends went to VCU)

Caroline
Caroline

One of the GOP operatives on Twitter said the race might as well have been called the minute Stewart won the primary.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Speaking of groundrules, I’d note that the welcome page to this site states the following:
“Unlike other blogs that are either banning comments or allowing free-range unmonitored comment sections that allow ideas to be strangled by the weeds of vitriol and randomness , our comments section will be heavily moderated.”
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Being strangled by the weeds of vitriol and randomness is a great way to summarize any interaction with Noway or DTM.

Ellynn
Ellynn

In “local Low Country girl makes national news” (she lives in Bluffton SC, works in Savannah)…

Reason she should not go to jail after flying through a 4way stop at over 60 miles an hour and blowing a .18 blood alcohol;

Always got good grades.
Cheerleader.
National Honor Society member
Belonged to a sorority,
Graduated from “high accredited college’
“…pretty girl”
And finally, “very clean, thoroughbred white girl”

Seriously.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/a-woman-told-police-shes-a-thoroughbred-white-girl-as-she-tried-to-avoid-jail-for-dui/ar-BBLGr10?li=BBnbfcL&OCID=CALHeader

ScottNAtlanta
ScottNAtlanta

So comparing girls to horses…classy

Ellynn
Ellynn

Her words. She called herself that.

armanidog
armanidog

I can’t throw stones, when I was drunk/stoned back in the day I told quite a few people I was good looking and intelligent.
She is 32 so she needs to get sober and close the gate before all the horses disappear.

armanidog
armanidog

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/08/dog-cloning-animal-sooam-hwang “Inside the Very Big, Very Controversial Business of Dog Cloning” “Ethicists from the White House to the Vatican have long debated the morality of cloning. Do we have the right to bioengineer a copy of a living creature, especially given the pain and suffering that the process requires? It can take a dozen or more embryos to produce a single healthy dog. Along the way, the surrogate mothers may be treated with hormones that, over time, can be dangerous, and many of the babies are miscarried, born dead, or deformed. When a dog was first cloned, in 2005—a scientific… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

Adam (Imafool) Schiff completely punked! Collusion!!!! Collusion!!! “Are you gonna believe this audio or yor lying ears!!!!!” LMAO! When will The DS indict Schiff for collusion?

xdog
xdog

Kim Jong Un looked really happy touring a fish-pickling factory.

He’s positively beaming. Trump should look so happy touring, I don’t know, a poultry processing plant in Gainesville.

https://www.thisisinsider.com/kim-jong-un-visits-fish-pickling-factory-photos-2018-8

Benevolus
Benevolus

Mr. T looks happy when he gets to pretend to drive big trucks.

Noway2016
Noway2016

You want happy? Watch TGM at any of his rallies! Positively beaming!

Noway2016
Noway2016

Because I do not know, I understand that in KS, Kobach’s lead is dwindling over the current R gov. Is KS in danger of losing to the Dem nominee in Nov? Realistically?

Benevolus
Benevolus

Amazing the gyrations the NC legislature is going through to try to prevent a Dem being elected to a judgeship: ” North Carolina Republicans are convinced that Democrats’ majority is an accident: When Morgan ran in 2016, the party affiliation of state Supreme Court candidates did not appear on the ballot. But Morgan’s name was listed first, due to a random drawing by the state Board of Elections. After he won, toppling the incumbent GOP candidate, Republicans became convinced that he only triumphed because his name was listed first, and included no partisan affiliation. They speculated that many voters assumed… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

Agreed! This sounds like partisan crap.