Morning Reads for Monday, July 23, 2018

Good Morning! Theresa here, filling in for Will who is gallivanting across the world this week.

Just one more sleep until Election Run-Off Day. Make sure you vote tomorrow!

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Will Durant
Will Durant

Imagine that you’re President Trump. OK, sorry ’bout that. Your week has gone badly when you started it off by leaving your knee pads at home when you met with Putin. Even Republicans objected to your genuflecting. You walk it back with a weak contraction explanation. Later in the week you walk it back the other way. How to keep the sheeple otherwise occupied? Why you wag the dog of course! Screw trade wars we need a real one! “NEVER EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKE OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER… Read more »

xdog
xdog

Too much money and effort to go after Iran when there are easier diversions, like landing Marines in Venezuela.

Caroline
Caroline

This is what you get when you have people who can be baited with a tweet.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

“More than likely, [Helsinki] has torpedoed the Russian president’s chances of extracting practical benefits from Trump’s fervent attempt to court him — favors Putin badly needs. As the foreign relations scholar Stephen Sestanovich put it on Twitter, “an idiot who’s too big an idiot can’t be a useful idiot.”
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From a Washington Post column.

Gregs
Gregs

Trump holds the nuclear codes!

His deranged reckless behavior creates more danger in an already dangerous world. He has absolutely no check and balances on him because the republican congress has abdicated it’s responsibility to restrain him when he oversteps the bounds of his office. He seems ready to amp up from a trade war to a real one if the Mueller report goes against him or his Russian handlers threaten to release what ever they have on him.

Benevolus
Benevolus

Not really a big concern. He would likely mis-spell the code.

alpha male
alpha male

Rut roh! Turns out Maria Butina, you know, that smoking gun Russian “ spy” caught cavorting with Trump folks, previously was documented meeting with Obama administration officials.

We are gonna run out of rakes for you lefties to keep stepping on.

Caroline
Caroline

Well, now I know where you get your news from Breitbart. No, she was not cavorting with the Obama Administration. She met with the Fed Undersecretary and you’re missing the point of Butina. It wasn’t that she met the Republicans but that apparently she conspired with them against the US. None of these Obama Administration people went to Russia with her like the NRA people did and the real catch is the money laundering through private organizations like the NRA which of course maybe the Fed had questions about where she was getting the money from. That meeting could have… Read more »

bethebalance
bethebalance

Alpha, why not post the link when you make the assertion?

downthemiddle
downthemiddle

Interesting comments from Joe Lieberman. If Democratic socialism is our future, we are in trouble.. I agree. That is behind almost everything I have posted. This is an honest appraisal from a lifelong democrat not some young novice from a Bernie Sanders rally. I could care less if any politician is black, white, male or female. The policies are the problem. The results a disaster. And Bernie is not radical enough for the democrats these days. Which is the bigger threat to America? The Soviets or the socialists/communists from within? https://eaglerising.com/60869/joe-lieberman-if-democratic-socialism-is-our-future-were-in-trouble/

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

I really shouldn’t be dignifying this. Yet, here I am. . Newsflash: Democrats don’t give a flying f— what Joe Lieberman thinks and they haven’t for some time. They also don’t put a lot of weight on the opinions section of the Wall Street Journal. . Another newsflash: We have elections in this country so that people can decide who they want to represent them. If people choose to support policies that more closely align with Democratic-Socialism, let them. Ocasio-Cortez’ platform was tailored to the constituency she is seeking to represent. Some ideas may not play well outside of NY-14.… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

“9) Support for same-sex marriage is now at 67%”
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Guys. Edit button. Seriously.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Newsflash: Everyone is gonna support “free” anything. See my Confucius posts.

Benevolus
Benevolus

Hence the “tax cuts”?

Caroline
Caroline

It’s not about the issues. It’s about the word “socialism”.

bethebalance
bethebalance

Folks who spout the evil of socialism often just don’t understand the kind of economy we already have. Capitalism without socialism would lead inevitably to oligarchy or monarchy. For democracy to work, there needs to be some socialism. I naturally believe in a balance between the two, and we in fact have a pretty hybrid economy,

bethebalance
bethebalance

I also like to point out that if you’re against any socialism, you are by definition anti-social. Which is a mental disorder.

downthemiddle
downthemiddle

Dem’s don’t care about Lieberman!? Rich! Your VP candidate in 2000 and just 500 NoWay voters from winning. This is how far left the party has plummeted. And now Bernie is too conservative. How is this playing in Realville? The current group of radical leftists don’t care. I agree. Seriously, why would someone vote liberal these days? More taxes, less growth, more food stamps, more misery and dissention? No borders and illegals voting? Or just the irritation of listening to whiners before a damn football game and nonstop name calling? How is this attractive to anyone? Does any adult think… Read more »

alpha male
alpha male

Because socialism has worked so well everywhere else . I know, I know. Everyone else has just not implemented it correctly yet, right?

Face it, today’s left wants us to go full Venezuela. Except, of course, for the part where Venezuela does not have open borders.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Even The Pilgrims tried that Socialism crap and Governor Bradford cut it off in short order. It’s failed everywhere it’s EVER been tried. Even five hundred years ago, long before Karl Marx!

Benevolus
Benevolus

OK, so where is this free-market utopia you idolize?

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Today’s left wants us to go full Venezuela. . Instead of engaging in strawmen arguments, maybe you can do some research and then join the grown-ups table. Unless, of course, you’re scared to debate someone with actual opinions and the ability to fight back. . Here are some countries that, based on your characterization of the Democrats’ policy positions you would deem socialist: China – world’s 2nd largest economy Japan – world’s 3rd largest economy Germany – world’s 4th largest economy United Kingdom – world’s 5th largest economy India – world’s 6th largest economy France – world’s 7th largest economy… Read more »

Benevolus
Benevolus

Why not, I’m bored: . Your VP candidate in 2000 One: That was 18 years ago. Two: Since then he has: Called himself an independent, Keynote speaker at the 2008 GOP convention , lost his senate race as a Dem in 2006. He’s not exactly speaking for the mainstream Dem majority, or any Dems for that matter. . And now Bernie is too conservative. Just because you say it doesn’t make it true. But it may be true someday. . More taxes, less growth, more food stamps Actually the economy has done pretty well under Dem stewardship in the past,… Read more »

NoParty4Me
NoParty4Me

Oh B., you know it’s not about making our military stronger. It’s about spending billions of unaccountable dollars on overpriced widgets for the profit of politically well connected.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

This is the exact problem I’m so frustrated with. No effort to have a constructive conversation. No indication that what I said received even a modicum of consideration. Just more unhinged invective. What value does it add to our discourse? Who benefits from this. . To engage you constructively: I’m gonna go out on a limb and conclude that I’m the better arbiter of who Democrats care about and listen to given that I’m, wait for it, an actual Democrat. Joe Lieberman was the VP nominee a whopping 18 years ago. There’s a whole generation of voters that weren’t even… Read more »

bethebalance
bethebalance

Not all of us do what I do, and others of us do, and go out of our way to fully read the links others post on this site, or watch and read diverse news sources– all in efforts to listen to opinions that are different than our own, and grow our understanding. I don’t like dismissing people as stupid just because their minds are closed, but many comments can be dismissed as wastes of time. You can’t counter 10 hours of listening to Rush with well-informed comments. You just need to say Hey, you’re only listening to one idiot,… Read more »

Caroline
Caroline

Unhinged invective is all they know how to do.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

But seriously, John Konop got banned for less.

downthemiddle
downthemiddle

How low can you go? Hillary has dinner with Weinstein after the election.

Hillary did not lose because of the Russians. Not one vote was altered. No she lost because she is Hillary. And still is. And still making excuses for losing 2 presidential runs and personally giving the Republicans both houses of Congress in 1994.

I think the new direction of Bernie Sanders, that young visionary of socialism, or folks even more radical and clueless are the answer. I guess you democrats support this stuff…Lord help us.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5976133/PICTURED-Hillary-Clinton-having-dinner-Harvey-Weinstein-election-loss.html

Caroline
Caroline

So having dinner with someone is worse than hosting cocaine fueled parties with underage girls? You guys are a piece of work. https://www.google.com/search?q=donald+trump+harvey+weinstein&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiL8tO9qbXcAhVPU98KHQD0BV0Q_AUICigB&biw=1012&bih=608#imgrc=sC7kAZbZ6w4o-M:
Where’s the condemnation of Trump hanging out with Harvey? Oh, there isn’t any from you. You guys are just sad and pathetic.

Benevolus
Benevolus

OK I get it. The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy has trained you guys to hate Hillary for the past, oh, 30 years or so. It’s hard to let go. But you can do it. You don’t HAVE to grit your teeth and copy/paste every time her name pops up in some media outlet trying to get more clicks. Just move on to the story on the Flat Earth movement, or the Meghan Markle pregnancy story and you’ll feel better. Promise.

downthemiddle
downthemiddle

No, Not wanting to be around Nurse Ratchet has had me disliking that hag for years

armanidog
armanidog

I grew up in Glynn county. I loved traveling across south Georgia in my 1956 Plymouth station wagon with a push button transmission and wood paneling on the side. I would met these girls at Episcopal youth meetings and conferences. Then I would drive to Thomasville or Tifton to have a date. A long way but I was young and foolish back the 1960’s. Yesterday I came across a blog named “Trouble in God’s Country” by Charlie Haslett (some of you probably already know about). I am heartbroken after reading his posts about south Georgia. It is becoming so bad… Read more »

Caroline
Caroline

Yes, rural Georgia has been in a bad way probably since the 1980’s. I used to travel there for business back then. However I’m not sure what the solution to the problem is. It is stuck in a cycle that no one seems to know how to break.

Enjoy the Silence
Enjoy the Silence

Make high-speed internet a utility and REQUIRE providers to service all rural areas (like they did with power and telephone in times past).

Caroline
Caroline

Good idea. I think that is what Terry McAuliffe did in VA and it really helped the rural areas.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

I agree it should be considered a utility. I oppose government involvement unless and until state government takes action toward making it so.

Benevolus
Benevolus

I agree too. I was going to suggest that the legislation could be named after U.S. Congressman Thomas E. Watson of Georgia, who wrote the bill creating RFD (Rural free Delivery), but he has a spotty legacy.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

As a child, my family at one time had two baby blue 1957 Plymouths, one a coupe and the other a station wagon. Monster fins. I was a small child then, and don’t remember either having a push button transmission, unlike the 1964 Dodge Polara that replaced the coupe. . I travel some to south Georgia on business, and to Bainbridge (actually Climax, a running household joke is that it’s necessary to travel through Hopeful to get to Climax) at least a couple times a year to visit family. It’s bad. It’s economic creative destruction that likely can’t be fixed,… Read more »

armanidog
armanidog

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Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

I didn’t mean to imply I doubted you. I recollect the ’64 Polara buttons were in a vertical row, and included a 1 and 2, or a low and a 2, and a park lever to the side down for park and up to select a gear..

chefdavid
chefdavid

No more commenting allowed at Walker County School Board meetings. Power to the people.
“Two weeks after Walker County Schools officials settled a lawsuit with a teacher over the board’s public commenting policy, Superintendent Damon Raines issued a press release Friday afternoon. In it, he blamed the litigation for the fact that there is no longer a public commenting policy for school board meetings.”
https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/breakingnews/story/2018/jul/20/walker-county-superintendent-blames-lawsuit-no-public-commenting-policy/475406/#document_2217
While there is no requirement to allow publice commenting at public meetings it is not good policy.

chefdavid
chefdavid
Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

A $70,000 700hp coupe probably used for commuting more than anything else is a sign of a good Gwinnett County government deterioration. It’s something one would expect of the Clayton County sheriff.

Will Durant
Will Durant

Yeah but as I pointed out last week when I linked this article Butch’s hot rod is only 9K more than the Ford Explorers Gwinnett Police purchased for their Sergeants. Now 10K of that is for their notebooks and 50K is for the Explorer but jeez how do you get an Explorer up to a 50K price tag? I’m also shocked however that the feds finally rejected a “drug money confiscation” reimbursement to a Georgia Sheriff. Previously they haven’t questioned ‘Vettes, Vipers, and the like, or even a salt water speedboat.

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

So 12 Russians can influence US elections, but 24 million illegal immigrants can’t. Uh huh.

Benevolus
Benevolus

I don’t care so much if you post your drive-by comments and never engage in defending them, as it still gives us a chance to expose the lies and explain the truth.
But it would be helpful if your comments at least made a little bit of sense.

armanidog
armanidog

Well the 12 Russians may have an easier time hacking Georgia elections compared to the “illegal immigrants”. And we have never heard anything more about those “illegal” votes in 2016. I guess President Dump has more pressing matters to worry about. February 2018: “Despite increasing scrutiny of Georgia’s voting technology ahead of the 2018 midterms, the state will not join more than a dozen others asking the U.S. Department of Homeland Security for special help protecting its election system from hacks, the Secretary of State’s office confirmed this week. Russia views the upcoming midterms as a potential target for interference,… Read more »

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

Not a drive-by. Just a statement to see if there were any rational responses. No need to defend or argue. That’s not my bag.

bethebalance
bethebalance

So it was a random unsubstantiated comment, just thrown out there to see if it got any hits?

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

BTB, see below — I never know whether or not I get any hits these days, unless I happen to be working at the computer and manually check! Can you help me figure out why the “Notify me of comments” function isn’t working?

bethebalance
bethebalance

Sorry, man, I don’t use that function. I just use my addiction to the refresh button.

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

Thanks anyway, BTB. Regarding my initial post, everybody knows that those indictments are merely allegations against 12 people who will never be tried in court to determine whether guilty or not. They live in another country, but illegal aliens actually live in the U.S. Doesn’t it stand to reason that one of the millions of foreign nationals here illegally have a greater chance of impacting our elections in some manner?

bethebalance
bethebalance

One one hand, you have a dozen sophisticated intelligence operatives that are just one piece of a foreign power’s disinformation campaign and cyber-assault on all Americans and federal, state, and local election authorities. On the other, you have however many people who don’t vote, and couldn’t vote if they tried, The #s on the voter fraud issue are absurdly low, and anything that says otherwise is unsubstantiated hype. I suppose that those not lawfully present in the country could use their powers of persuasion upon their friends or families that could vote, but at least that would be information presented… Read more »

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

Hey, Charlie or somebody – Help! I always check the “Notify me of follow-up comments by email” box beneath any comments I post, but NEVER get any notifications of any responses.
So now I’m accused of “drive-by” comments because I don’t even know about anybody’s responses.

Can somebody please tell me how to make that function work, so I can know whenever anyone comments on one of my posts?

Gregs
Gregs

I think it went away with the edit function. Many have commented on this but no replies.

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

Argh! Thanks, Gregs. Hopefully people will stop accusing me of “drive-by” posts merely because I can’t sit on here all the time.

Gregs
Gregs

This should be an amusing past time, nothing more, nothing less. The minute it gets to be more, GET OUT!

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

Nice try, ACP. There is no specific page to reference — that is the point. The “failed to disclose” as you said, my friend.

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

Well, crap! that obviously wasn’t meant for you, Gregs! This whole blog is acting up on me. Sorry.

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

Bearing in mind that I will not receive any notification from GAPol of follow-up comments, I believe this might be insightful reading for all. Nothing more, nothing less.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/07/22/a-review-of-the-doj-fbi-fisa-application-release/

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

So we finally know it was an ill-gotten FISA warrant, based on Steele’s phony pee-pee dossier, that started the Mueller investigation. That is thus fruit of the poison tree that has cost we the people tens of millions of dollars – and should be immediately closed down before they can illegally persecute any other American citizen like Carter Page, who has never been legally accused or convicted of anything. A graduate of the Naval Academy and as far as we actually know, a good citizen and accomplished business man who doesn’t deserve the stuff he’s had to go through. As… Read more »

downthemiddle
downthemiddle

I agree Sally. It is a joke, based on a joke and it was done to destroy a candidate and throw the election to the democrats. They paid for it, disseminated it through the intelligence agencies, multiple abuses of power and crimes, fueled by the media and the liberals know this. And they continue to support it. Pitiful.

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

So true, DTM — I just saw the 5 signatures on the FISA warrant that started this whole mess (Comey, Rosenstein, Yates, and three I couldn’t read), swearing to a bunch of lies paid for by Hillary and the Podesta Group, then cycled through circular reporting via Yahoo “news”!! YAHOO , for God’s sake!! What a joke — if not such a serious offense by public officials.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Sally and/or DTM – not trying to play gotcha – but do you mind pointing me to the pages of the FISA applications where the FBI failed to disclose the nature and source of the Steele Dossier? Can you also point me to where the FBI used Yahoo to corroborate the Steele dossier?
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I’m legitimately curious as to where you’re drawing these conclusions from.

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

ACP, please see my response above — it wandered astray when Ihit “add comment.”

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

Damn not having edit function!! :\ That should be two I couldn’t read – not three.

xdog
xdog

The Russia investigation wasn’t launched because of Carter Page. The House Intelligence Committee determined that the Russia investigation began after the FBI learned about Papadopoulos being approached by a Russian agent offering Russian dirt on Clinton. So the FBI began to take a look. It would have been malfeasance for them to do otherwise. That means your whole argument is BS. If you try to back it up to say that no Steele memorandom no FISA warrant you run into the problem of additional presentations prosecutors made. Those are mostly blacked out for us, but people who have read them… Read more »

Caroline
Caroline

They think if they repeat a lie over and over it will turn into a fact. Such is the world of the alternative facts crowd.

Caroline
Caroline

I have a question. Why did Trump hire so many people who have a Russian problem? Did he not put anyone through a vetting process or did he pick them based on the fact that they had ties to Russia?

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Speaking for my Republican friends who work the primaries… most of them stayed away from Trump’s campaign because they saw him as an unserious candidate who would be poisonous to their resumes, so the campaign took on a bunch of idiots, gadflies, weasels, and naerdowells that wouldn’t have been hired by any self-respecting candidate.

Caroline
Caroline

Well, it would seem your friends were right about it being poisonous but for different reasons. Apparently the current people working in the white house or what is now known as the Kremlin Annex have been saying to the press that they can’t find work because of working for Trump. So anyone who had anything going killed their careers. Nichole Wallace said everybody knew Manafort was dirty in DC and nobody would hire him. So I guess Manafort and Trump were a match made in heaven.

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

What people did he hire who had a proven Russian “problem”?

Caroline
Caroline

Just to start with a few:
Paul Manafort.
Carter Page
Michael Flynn. Flynn was even photographed sitting at the Kremlin with Putin.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Because I hate myself, I read all 412 pages of the redacted FISA applications and renewals. Below is my impression. This will be long because I’m including a FISA primer for the uninitiated. . This is the first Title I FISA application that’s been released – redacted or otherwise – in the history of the FISC. I can’t overstate the importance of this. It’s probably the one thing I agree upon with the article you posted: this is going to have a significant impact on our intelligence gathering and counterterrorism activities. . Applications to target a US person under Title… Read more »

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

And about all those FORMER governmental employees who should not have top-secret security, any more than you or I should…

Those 5 upper echelon members of the Obama FBI and DOJ who signed the FISA warrant lied to federal judges and committed major FISA abuses. There was collusion during the 2016 election, but it was by the Obama administration based on unverified Russian fantasy. Sick.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Pretty sure most of their clearances have lapsed at this point. It’s like using Twitter to threaten the leader of a country that doesn’t have Twitter.

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

Apparently they have not lapsed — they all need to be double-checked and cancelled if not lapsed. Since they are issued for a number of years, they may still be active like the gal over at Augusta was as an ex-federal employee.

People like Clapper and Brennan have been making money from CNN and other networks based on access to security info that belongs to the American people — not to disgruntled former employees.

Benevolus
Benevolus

Whether or not they are making money because of their previous positions isn’t the reason for revoking their clearance. If they were not being critical of Trump this wouldn’t be happening. This is an attempt to silence his political critics, which is yet another small step towards fascism. But of course it won’t stop them from talking or being critical, it just denies the IC of those guys’ potential usefulness to them, so it’s a stupid move. How about Scaramucci, or Spicer, or Bannon, or Priebus, do they still have clearance? Why aren’t they on the list? They aren’t making… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Jim Clapper has been involved in US intelligence operations since the 1960s. He was the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency under George HW Bush, was a Lt. General in the Air Force, he was Director of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency under George w. Bush, he was Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence under George W. Bush, he was Director of National Intelligence under Barack Obama. The amount of institutional knowledge Clapper has regarding DIA, NSA, NRO, NGA, and the rest of the US’ intelligence apparatus is incredibly invaluable. The reason he still has a clearance is so that… Read more »

Caroline
Caroline

Rand Paul is a Putin apologist. Why would anybody think he would do anything different than attempt to help Putin? In fact pretty much the entire GOP is run by Putin these days. The suprise comes when a Republican actually stands up and says Putin is not our friend, he attacked us and we need to defend ourselves.

downthemiddle
downthemiddle

Sure those guys have done plenty of great things. They also tried to sway a US election and they abused their power. Its called repercussions. I am sure many criminals in prison today did many good things in their lives, then they lost their temper and did so and so…does that excuse it? If anyone is defending the actions of the FBI and Justice Department you might want to examine your motives. Okay you hate Trump. Get over it. It is no excuse to thy and throw an election and then frame the other candidate. The press is guilty of… Read more »

Benevolus
Benevolus

So the Intelligence Community is against, you, the previous administration is against you, the media is against you, the higher education system is against you, minorities are against you, Hollywood is against you, the justice system is against you, our allies are against you, apparently the Fed is against you… at what point do you question what it is you are for?

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

If anyone is defending the actions of the FBI and Justice Department you might want to examine your motives. . I’m defending the Justice Department because I have first-hand knowledge of the hard-working people that get up every morning with one goal: serving this country with integrity. Whether it’s prosecuting drug cartels, rooting out public corruption, or dismantling child trafficking networks, the folks at the Department of Justice do outstanding work on behalf of you and me. . I will pose a similar question to the one I posed to you and Sally last night. Sally was nice enough to… Read more »

bethebalance
bethebalance

This has gotten to bizzarro world. I think folks just don’t understand the level of integrity that professionals have, the ethical decisions they make regularly in order to uphold the Constitution and the rule of law. Personal feelings exist, but they’re not going to sell their souls- or risk their entire careers- on a small chance their personal feelings will be vindicated. Plus, there is not one piece of evidence of the rigging against DJT. Strozk was biased, but there was no public release of info re: the investigation of Trump, and Comey went back and forth (in wrong-headed efforts… Read more »

Benevolus
Benevolus

Doctors don’t ask who you voted for. Professionals in may disciplines do their work without bias even though they may have personal opinions.
It’s paranoia and the true witch hunt to go after these guys.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Balance, benevelous… I’m hanging around in part because of your encouragement. Let’s not get distracted from the central question posed to DTM, here:
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Direct me to the pages that support your contention that the Justice Department and FBI were “framing” Donald Trump or rigging an election against him.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

I wonder if downthemiddle is gonna keep ducking me.

Caroline
Caroline

Dude, the only one who appears to have abused their power is Trump. The intelligence community did not make Trump fire Comey. The intelligence commitee did not make George Papadopolous blab to the Austrailians about colluding with the Russians. Nobody in the intelligence community made Mike Flynn go to Russia and sit at a table with Putin and then call Russian spies. Nobody in the intelligence community made Carter Page give an American bashing speech at the Kremlin. Nobody in the intelligence community made any of those people do anything. The truth is you’re mad because they are not covering… Read more »

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

Putin apologist? What factual basis for calling him that?

Caroline
Caroline

He was against Montenegro joining NATO the same goal as Putin. He’s also on TV regularly apologizing for Putin. Paul also voted against sanctions for Russia attacking us.

downthemiddle
downthemiddle

A Putin apologist is one of the easiest claims to blow away. Here are 4 things that are hammering the Russian. All policies liberals abhor. 1. Rebuilidng out military. Does Putin want that?! Oh hell no! Do liberals want that? Oh hell no. 2. A stronger economy through lower tax policies and pro growth policies. Trillions coming back into the US. The Liberals hate these policies. They are running on reversing them. All of that HELPS the Russians. 3. Trump promoting US energy industry. The useful idiots don’t like Nuke, Fossil Fuels and Fracking. Well lets let them live on… Read more »

Benevolus
Benevolus

I think there is a consensus that Putin’s goal would be to weaken the US and the west in general. This is supposed to in turn strengthen Mother Russia. So: – Strengthen the military- How has Trump strengthened the military? You mean his proposed spending increase? At the cost of a trillion dollar deficit? Putin would like that. After all, that is supposedly how Reagan defeated the Soviet Union, make ’em spend more than they have. – tax cuts- at the same time as military spending increase. Perfect. Hey, didn’t G.W. Bush try that? – I don’t think Putin gives… Read more »

Caroline
Caroline

Good lord you’re stuck in the past. Putin could care less about our military. He attacked our country without firing one shot. Putin could care less about our tax policies. As a matter of fact most of the GOP tax policies help Putin simply because they make us a debtor nation. Promoting the energy industry helps Putin because it is one of the few things that Putin has a hold on. Using more fossil fuels helps Putin not hurts him. If the world went completely solar tomorrow Putin’s entire regime would pretty much collapse. Getting off of fossil fuels is… Read more »

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS! – DJT
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Or what? Be subjected to a Trump demand that Iran participate in a summit meeting where the stable genius will humiliate Iran in front of the whole world?

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

I predict that President Obama will at some point attack Iran in order to save face!
DJT tweet, 5:23 PM – Sep 16, 2013

Remember what I previously said–Obama will someday attack Iran in order to show how tough he is. DJT tweet, 1:44 PM – Sep 25, 2013

bethebalance
bethebalance

Well, that’s not one of the scariest projections ever.
And I don’t mean projection like prediction.
I mean projection like “I’m not the violent narcissist- you are.”

downthemiddle
downthemiddle

Dave, does anyone here remember the term “wag the dog”? That movie came out one month before a certain president bombed an aspirin factory the very day Monica Lewinski was testifying before Congress about her blue dress. Were the Clintons involved in almost every scandal the last 30 years?

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

Yeah, Iran-Contra, Abramoff, Tom Delay, The Keating Five, Jim Traficant, Scooter Libby, Rostenkowski, Packwood, federal response to Katrina, weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Bush’s warrantless NSA wiretaps, Newt’s unethical book deal, the millions that voted illegally in the 2016 election et al aren’t in the same league as Vince Foster, Pizza-gate, and Clinton’s looting of the WH. It’s a dump anyway. . Indeed Hillary’s e-mails were totally different than the Bush administration using RNC web servers for millions of emails which were then destroyed, lost or deleted. Totally. . The cruise missile attack by most accounts was what you… Read more »

Caroline
Caroline

LOL. I thought that claim had gone down in the anals of right wing nonsense after 9/11 since the bombing was an attempt to kill Osama Bin Laden. Repeating a lie over and over works with conservatives apparently or they wouldn’t keep doing it.

downthemiddle
downthemiddle

You should know about repeating talking points!

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Sally, thanks for responding. . I’m posting this here for cleanliness purposes, since comments get reduced into little side threads. . For a refresher, I asked if y’all had page references to support the assertion that the FBI didn’t disclose the source and potential bias of Christopher Steele. . You said:“Nice try, ACP. There is no specific page to reference — that is the point. The “failed to disclose” as you said, my friend.” . Here’s a link to the FISA materials I’ll be referencing: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4614708/Carter-Page-FISA-Application.pdf . Page 15 of the initial FISA application: “Source #1 [redacted] and has been… Read more »

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

I am now officially cross-eyed from all that legalese! Plus I don’t have time to dredge through all the FISA wrong-doing. And even if I did, nothing would change your mind. I give up.

downthemiddle
downthemiddle

Uhhh, was Source #1 doing anything but making up crap about Trump…for 12 million no less? Comey said none of it was substantiated and almost the entire reason for the spying in the first place. Again, lets say any fool attorney tried to bring this kind of evidence into court and it was tossed. Anyone on a jury with a prosecutor like Strzok and Comey, Clapper and the rest of these biased goobers would vote not guilty. Actually the judge would throw it out wouldn’t they? So why in the hell does anyone defend this crap? We know why. Why… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Actually the judge would throw it out wouldn’t they?
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A judge (on 4 separate occasions) found that the evidence showed probable cause that Page was acting as a foreign agent and that crimes were being committed. As I noted last night, in addition to Steele’s information there was intelligence from other sources which supported the probable cause determination as well as additional sources corroborating Steele’s assertions. In addition, the renewal applications included intelligence gathered during the FBI’s surveillance of Page.

Benevolus
Benevolus

False. “Comey stressed that the dossier was not the reason why federal authorities opened an investigation into possible connections between some members of the Trump presidential campaign team and Russia. “The investigation began because of reliable information that George Papadopoulos was having conversations about obtaining information from the Russians,” Comey said, referring to the president’s former campaign foreign policy adviser. “That’s probably as far as I can go at this point.” “It, at its core, was consistent with the other information we’d gathered during the intelligence investigation,” he said of the dossier. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/comey-believes-source-steele-dossier-credible/story?id=54488781 You can believe what you want to… Read more »

downthemiddle
downthemiddle

Comey lied.

Will Durant
Will Durant

Jesus wept.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Wow! A Lib using Jesus’ name! Shouldn’t you be in your coffin during the day?

Will Durant
Will Durant

So Russians think that all Christians are conservatives?

Noway2016
Noway2016

Lol! In that case, Will, Merry Christmas!

Will Durant
Will Durant

With the likes of you representing themselves as a conservative while you are actually just trolling for Trump/Putin, I’m fine with being called a lib. I’ve never claimed to be a social conservative, quite the opposite. Meanwhile President Trump is not a fiscal conservative by any stretch of the imagination. I paid a higher percentage in taxes with his so called cuts. What with raising and implementing tariffs, triggering trade wars, currency wars, screeching at the fed for trying to anticipate the inflation to come as a result of those policies… and now $12 Billion in welfare for farmers getting… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

“But is hard for Trumpists to accept that their guy may not have won cleanly, or ever had clean hands.” No evidence whatsoever has been provided that Trump’s victory was tainted in any way. Period. Zero. He simply outworked the only candidate that he could beat. Pretty simple. Manafort is being prosecuted for potential crimes that have no relation to Trump. He was with Trump, for what, three months? Nothing there. Solitary confinement? Really? The Dipshit is squeezing him to roll on Trump. There’s nothing to squeeze. Prosecutorial abuse at the highest. Truly shameful behavior.

Benevolus
Benevolus

It’s not about Trump. It’s about Russian meddling. We’re not going to re-do that election even if the Russians did flip millions of votes. Who cares if Trump feels diminished if people think he didn’t win straight up. That’s his problem. Manafort apparently did something wrong and he caught caught. Why would you defend that? If he’s got nothing to offer Mueller then he’ll do his time or get off. Whatever. He’s in solitary equipped with a toilet, a shower, a place to sit, a small table, a TV with basic cable, and a phone to make outgoing collect calls.… Read more »

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

Nah, Manafort is in jail because he was ACCUSED of witness tampering by Mueller. Manafort was out on bail and has never been tried or convicted of anything. What Mueller indicted him for was an accusation of something to do with taxes about 15 years ago — NOTHING to do with the Trump campaign or any other political thing. Placing him in solitary confinement for some back tax accusations instead of allowing him to stay at home with an ankle bracelet (like they do illegal aliens who crash the border every day) is outrageous. If he were a Dem or… Read more »

Benevolus
Benevolus

It’s. Not. About. Trump. You guys are taking on the paranoid defensiveness of your Leader. Trump may get in trouble but if he does it will be because that is where the investigation led. But even so, he seems to have enough GOPers willing to jump off a cliff for him so he’s probably safe until the mid-terms anyway. And I think it’s unlikely that Dems then go after him even with a majority. It would look too political at this point and they can just stop his idiocy unless/until he actually negotiates with them. And let’s be more explicit:… Read more »

Caroline
Caroline

Read the indictment. It goes all the way to 2017 and the charge is conspiracy against the USA. And yeah, if he was laundering some of that money through the Trump campaign it does matter. There apparently was quid pro quo with one of the loans Manafort got. They let Manafort have an ankle bracelet. Twice he was caught breaking the rules of his home confinement. You would THINK that he would quit talking to Russians but he just could not. The judge let him off the first time with a warning but the second time the judge found out… Read more »

bethebalance
bethebalance

My point was that y’all get triggered by the mere implication that your guy got elected with a little foul assistance.
Noted as proven.
As for the facts, we’ll see.
I never put the cart before the horse.

Noway2016
Noway2016

That’s the entire point of your side. To taint his win. He did nothing wrong. He beat Hillary honestly. No votes were changed. No machines were hacked. Even Obama said a national election couldn’t be influenced. All of America knows you effort is dishonest. They’ll voice their feelings in November.

Gregs
Gregs

Trump himself told you the election was rigged and he wasn’t going to accept the results…until he won!

There was colusion with the Russians by the Trump campaign and I accept Trump’s assertion that the election was rigged.

bethebalance
bethebalance

I honestly do hope no votes were altered.
But I sure want to know exactly what happened, and where the election systems’ weaknesses are. To me, that’s the point.
I consider Trump is an ancillary issue. I won’t say he’s guilty of anything until and unless it’s proven by facts. Until then, he is entitled to a presumption of innocence. But you wouldn’t find me going to the mat for him with this fact pattern.

Gregs
Gregs

I merely pointed out that Trump himself asserted that the election was rigged. Even after he won he claimed massive vote fraud. He claimed he won the popular vote. He appointed a commission to prove it was rigged. Of course the commission was just another in long line of red meat for the cultist.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Re-upping this for DTM, who is still ducking me:
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Direct me to the pages that support your contention that the Justice Department and FBI were “framing” Donald Trump or rigging an election against him.

Noway2016
Noway2016

You know for somebody who was so butt-hurt and caterwauling his intention to leave GaPol, you sure look back to your earlier ways! Combo of cry-closet and Midol work for you??

Benevolus
Benevolus

Do you have pictures of Trump hanging up in your domicile? Maybe a screensaver of his orange face? Have you named any of your weapons after him? If he asked you to drink some punch out of a large bowl, would you?

Noway2016
Noway2016

Don’t be hatin’. No tonight. We have enjoy Kemp’s win due in large part to TGM’s endorsement!

downthemiddle
downthemiddle

What he hell are you babbling about? Ducking your obtuse ass? I have been out playing golf, working and that last thing on my mind is you! I think you took your ball and went home to your safe space!! I cant even figure out who replies to what on this website, so this is the first time I knew I was supposedly ducking you?! Bottom line Andrew, do you think the exoneration of Hillary and the attempts to frame Trump on collusion charges are unbiased and on the up and up? If you think that I think you are… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

So you still ain’t gonna answer the question that’s been pending all day?
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Look at the FISA applications and tell me the pages that support your position the FBI “framed” Trump. Don’t give me another microwaved version of the same rant you’ve been posting for the past couple months, put on your readers, look through the primary source documents, and provide some actual evidence for your conclusions. I’ve done so, if you’re telling the truth, show the receipts.

Noway2016
Noway2016

I feel like Groundhog Day, because this happens so often.
Ladies and Gentlemen, May I present to you…The Democrat Party…
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-cuomo-civil-confinement-sex-offenders-vote-pardon-20180721-story.html