July 20, 2018 7:05 AM HomeMorning ReadsMorning Reads for Friday, July 20, 2018 Morning Reads for Friday, July 20, 2018 By Ginny Morning Reads 86 Comments Limo much, Madam Mayor? Of the debil. (I hate our current set up.) Tear down that dam. Someone, somewhere, will always feel left out. Yes, really. Piling on… a non-existent person. Tricksy. What has happened to us? Again, still not The Onion. Constellations can be politicized, too. Quote of the Year. Share this:TwitterFacebookTumblrRedditEmailPrint Related About Author Ginny Get off my lawn. 86 Comments MikeSilver GeorgiaCarry.Org reiterated it’s endorsements. They are backing Kemp and Shafer. Here is what they wrote supporting Kemp: For Governor, Brian Kemp is in a heated, nasty race with Casey Cagle, who as Lt. Governor, blocked much more pro-gun rights legislation in the Senate than we were able to pass in the last 8 years. Cagle is the man who, when discussing future gun rights legislation in 2009, said, “Let me be very, very clear, I have no appetite for that…. folks should be content with where we are”. This was just before we were able to repeal the public gathering law. He also held up a conference committee report on a bill to allow campus carry bill in 2013 until it was too late to vote to suspend the rules and allowed Cecil Staton to leave early, insuring there would not be enough present in the Senate to vote for the suspension of the rules. In 2016, Cagle confided in several religious leaders who were gun control supporters that he felt campus carry legislation was “irresponsible, dangerous, and not in line with Republican values.” When he called external gun lobby groups who were pushing campus carry “extremist and dangerous” (see pic), he was talking about Georgiacarry, Brian Kemp (GeorgiaCarry.Org life member, me and approx. 10, 000 other GeorgiaCarry.Org members. Earlier this year, Cagle stated the he knew of no area where carry rights or locations needed expanding and that Georgia “was in a good place” regarding current carry laws, he also said that he did not support constitutional carry, but then suddenly did just days later. And, in the secret Tippins tape session, he said the following (directly from the transcript): Tippins: So, Kemp is a twelve he runs Jake. Did he get two bumps, one for Jake one for the second one or was it all for Jake. Cagle: It was both. He..he kind of.. so what he did… is… there was creative ads. They were geared to a certain audience that is a very “rabid” type of audience and he knew that he was running a major risk by doing that. Tippins: But he had to do because he wouldn’t do anything but… Cagle: Yes. Remember his first ad was the immigration ad Tippins: Yeah Cagle: Standing next to the fence and all of that. Tippins: Right Cagle: And it stuck. it stuck. it totally stuck. So he had to blow it all up. he just had to do something completely out of his character. Well, I mean his character is.. he pretty much talks about – you know what I’m saying – he had to do something like really crazy, but it gives you short term game, short term strategy that has long term ramifications that you cannot escape, right? Cause that ad defined him. July 20, 2018 7:17 AM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope Casey Cagle, who as Lt. Governor, blocked much more pro-gun rights legislation in the Senate than we were able to pass in the last 8 years. But the NRA endorsed him because he did that whole dog and pony show about Delta! July 20, 2018 8:13 AM Log in to Reply MikeSilver The Delta show was a complete lie. A couple weeks after Cagle’s fake stand for the 2A, Gov. Deal ordered the gas wholesalers to STOP collecting the tax. Delta got its tax break. The whole thing was a start to finish lie by cagle and deal. July 20, 2018 4:31 PM Log in to Reply chefdavid Oh my liberal friends will not be happy aout this. Let the liberal exodus from facebook begin. #walkaway https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/congratulations-zuckerberg-call-trump-election-2016?bftwnews&utm_term=4ldqpgc#4ldqpgc July 20, 2018 9:24 AM Log in to Reply Benevolus Z called to congratulate one of his biggest advertisers and libs are supposed to freak out? Strong with the tribalism this one is. July 20, 2018 10:21 AM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Awwwwwwe nawwwwwwww! Lol! July 20, 2018 10:24 AM Log in to Reply Indypendant We’ve always been at war with the European Union. July 20, 2018 10:21 AM Log in to Reply Dave Bearse From Orwell’s 1984: “Since about that time, war had been literally continuous, though strictly speaking it had not always been the same war. For several months during his childhood there had been confused street fighting in London itself, some of which he remembered vividly. But to trace out the history of the whole period, to say who was fighting whom at any given moment, would have been utterly impossible, since no written record, and no spoken word, ever made mention of any other alignment than the existing one. At this moment, for example, in 1984 (if it was 1984), Oceania was at war with Eurasia and in alliance with Eastasia. In no public or private utterance was it ever admitted that the three powers had at any time been grouped along different lines. Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge, which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible.” July 20, 2018 10:31 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Bring out the Lycans and the Werewolves! Lolol! Where’s Kate Beckensale? July 20, 2018 10:41 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn China historically been a wait and see culture… and with the long term 2025 and 2050 plans for economic dominance mixed with their ability to manipulate state run compainies they can afford to wait us out. . https://www.axios.com/threat-china-trade-war-trump-tariffs-xi-jinping-d793f69c-6035-4347-bc0d-67efda64f911.html July 20, 2018 11:21 AM Log in to Reply Benevolus The prettiest town in Georgia? https://www.architecturaldigest.com/gallery/prettiest-town-every-us-state July 20, 2018 11:49 AM Log in to Reply armanidog I’ve been to 4 of those towns. Breckinridge, CO was unimpressive to me. Very touristy (although expensive) in the downtown area. Sedona, NM was the prettiest in my opinion. I grew up on the coast of Georgia and St. Mary’s was a nice little town before the navy sub base was built. Go on to Cumberland Island if you want unspoiled views of the marshlands. July 20, 2018 12:01 PM Log in to Reply xdog Please. Sedona is in Arizona. Still, it’s very pretty although imo not as impressive as Chimayo NM. All that expanse north of Santa Fe is a credit to NM’s Land of Enchantment motto. July 20, 2018 12:45 PM Log in to Reply armanidog @xdog, You’re right, my mistake. I have been to Santa Fe as well. It has the town square being so nice in the shade. Loved staying in Taos as well. West of Taos, I almost got blown off the Hwy 64 bridge over the Rio Grande while walking across. July 20, 2018 1:22 PM Log in to Reply armanidog 50 years ago US astronauts landed on the moon on July 20, 1969. Neil Armstrong walked on the moon surface on July 21, six hours after landing. “Opinion polls taken in various locations have shown that between 6% and 20% of Americans, 25% of Britons, and 28% of Russians surveyed believe that the manned landings were faked.” Fox network in 2001 aired the documentary, “Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon? ” which concluded we faked the moon landings. Great heritage there, Mr Murdoch. By the way, satellites from various countries photographing the moon since that time have shown the moon landing equipment still in place on the moon. And President Dump in 2016: “ACRAMENTO, Calif.—Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump said today he believes the moon landing in 1969 was real but “many people” believe the whole thing was orchestrated by the federal government to impress the world and scare the Soviets. “I’m not saying I believe that, but many people have questions about it,” Trump said at a campaign appearance here. “There are people who know about these things who say they saw the interior of a warehouse in Los Angeles converted to look like the surface of the moon, complete with fine dust and craters and the whole thing. Lot of tinfoil lying around. Did NASA hire a Hollywood crew to distract us from Vietnam? I don’t know.” Trump also said he thinks former president Ronald Reagan died of natural causes in 2004, when he was 93, but “there are people who think it was pretty suspicious that he suddenly got ‘pneumonia.’ I’m not saying I’m one of them, but do healthy people in a sunny place like Bel Air get pneumonia even though they have all the doctors they need a phone call away? Sure is convenient for Democrats to have the last remaining Republican icon out of the picture so they can start back-stabbing his legacy.” Trump also said a lot of people think North Korea, the repressive communist country led by the Kim dynasty, is not a real country but is rather an elaborate hoax perpetrated by the United States Department of State with the cooperation of other countries. “No one knows Koreans better than me,” he said. “I’ve done business wth them. Very warm-hearted people, by the way. Good negotiators. But when you ask them about ‘North Korea,’ they don’t want to talk about that. It’s very suspicious. You talk to anyone. Has anyone you know actually been there? I know Dennis Rodman. He says he’s ‘been there,’ but he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed, to be perfectly honest with you, and I say that as a friend. Go to any soundstage in Los Angeles. They can make you believe anything. A country that no one’s seen. People are asking questions. I’m not saying I’m one of them. ” https://thenatteringnabobs.com/2016/06/02/trump-people-say-north-korea-is-a-hoax-moon-landing-was-faked-reagan-was-murdered/ A crazy man in charge. Woe to US. July 20, 2018 11:50 AM Log in to Reply Ellynn 49 years ago… July 20, 2018 12:04 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 The greatest achievement in the history of the world! July 20, 2018 12:14 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 To the Dems here: are you proud it was America that did this? July 20, 2018 12:18 PM Log in to Reply Benevolus Of course you numskull. You see, we don’t have to automatically disagree on everything. That’s just something that has been programmed into you by people trying to manipulate you. July 20, 2018 12:39 PM Will Durant Why would you ask? It looks as if 28% of the country you support still think it was faked. July 20, 2018 12:43 PM bethebalance Not crazy— manipulative. He plays on the fears or doubts of people who are vulnerable to them. Looks like every fear or doubt he can find. July 20, 2018 1:38 PM Log in to Reply Dave Bearse Disturbing quotes. I’m not saying! . Worthy of reproducing in its entirety here. Not being familiar with the source, I wish the source had provided details about when the remarks were made. July 20, 2018 10:41 PM Log in to Reply armanidog @Ellynn, They landed on the 20th, walked on the moon on the 21st. @Noway2016, I am very proud. Too bad we never really followed up on the landings. Vietnam, the oil embargo, the cold war, Iranian revolution, the Gulf war, etc all got in the way I guess. July 20, 2018 12:25 PM Log in to Reply armanidog Sorry @Ellynn, it was 49 years ago. July 20, 2018 12:26 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Libs–Always classy!! https://www.mediaite.com/tv/jeanine-pirro-says-whoopi-goldberg-exploded-at-her-after-view-appearance-get-the-f-out-of-this-building/ July 20, 2018 1:46 PM Log in to Reply Caroline That would be the word of tax fraud Jeanine Pirro. LOL. July 20, 2018 2:11 PM Log in to Reply ScottNAtlanta …and Whoopi’s response https://www.mediaite.com/tv/the-views-whoopi-goldberg-gives-her-side-of-pirro-brawl-she-called-us-all-a-word-i-cant-say-on-tv/ July 20, 2018 3:22 PM Log in to Reply Caroline Lordy, there are tapes and apparently a lot of them. The news is reporting now that tapes of Cohen with Trump regarding Karen McDougal are in the hands of the FBI. The ones I’m most curious about are the ones regarding Shera Bechard. July 20, 2018 1:58 PM Log in to Reply chefdavid here are some fun new tools. https://www.facebook.com/politicalcontentads/?active_status=all&ad_type=ads-with-political-content&q=Casey%20Cagle and https://ads.twitter.com/transparency July 20, 2018 2:25 PM Log in to Reply Caroline New poll: Georgia Governor GE: Kemp (R) 46% (+2) Abrams (D) 44% . Cagle (R) 45% (+2) Abrams (D) 43% Too bad they didn’t poll Abrams vs. Kemp. July 20, 2018 2:37 PM Log in to Reply Caroline Whoops. I misread. They did poll against Kemp. July 20, 2018 2:38 PM Log in to Reply ScottNAtlanta Thats margin of error. Basically tied July 20, 2018 3:24 PM Log in to Reply Caroline Yeah, Stacy has gone up a few points and the GOP is basically at the same place they were over 2 months ago. It will be interesting to see what the polls say after Labor Day. July 20, 2018 3:26 PM Log in to Reply Benevolus It’s crazy. You can’t open a web browser without bumping into a new Trump-Russia connection. . “Husband-and-wife duo busted in high-end Russian hooker ring” . “Yevgen Rizanov and Ksenia Khodukina, both 29, flew women from Russia to New York as part of a “sophisticated long-term operation promoting prostitution,” said Assistant District Attorney James Lynch. . The Russian nationals were picked up last week in Miami at their tony beachfront pad inside the Trump Towers III, where they allegedly ran their illicit enterprise remotely.” . https://nypost.com/2018/07/18/husband-and-wife-duo-busted-in-high-end-russian-hooker-ring/amp/?__twitter_impression=true July 20, 2018 3:46 PM Log in to Reply Caroline The news is busting out all over today. Mueller is supoenaing Roger Stone’s Manhattan Madam that worked for him for 10 years. July 20, 2018 6:48 PM Log in to Reply Dave Bearse Whoooo! Benevolous, then you each mentioning a hooker situation. No one was figuring out how Madoff was losing ten figures of other people’s money, but there was no problem with zeroing in on $500 in Elliott Spitzer hooker money. July 20, 2018 10:54 PM Log in to Reply Caroline https://www.spin.com/2018/07/trump-sex-pest-bc-documentary-models/ This one is even worse because these women were underage. Maybe the Madam was procuring the women for Stone and Trump? All this is really going to be ugly when it comes to a head. July 21, 2018 8:05 AM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Can Trump hire Hillary off the scrap heap to head his Bimbo Eruption Team? She did a marvelous job of destroying the hordes of women that her husband abused! July 21, 2018 9:21 AM Log in to Reply Caroline Bill has a best seller and you’re stuck with Trump. I guess I would be attacking Hillary if I was in your situation too. Living well is the best revenge. July 21, 2018 9:54 AM Sally Forth Refreshing commentary from Black woman who has left the D plantation: https://twitter.com/i/status/1018157790878228481 July 20, 2018 9:40 PM Log in to Reply Will Durant What Mueller’s Latest Indictment Reveals About Russian and U.S. Spycraft While the indictment only describes the U.S. government’s charges in this case, the specific technical evidence presented is compelling and paints by far the most detailed and plausible picture yet of what exactly occurred in 2016. It also sheds light on what the U.S. government is capable of doing when it investigates cyberattacks, as well as how Russia’s Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff, or GRU, allegedly conducted the attacks — which it denies — and what operational security mistakes they made. https://theintercept.com/2018/07/18/mueller-indictment-russian-hackers/ July 21, 2018 6:13 AM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Look at this headline. Democratic socialism surging in the age of Trump! (By the way the Obama created the Tea Party by getting conservatives off their ass to stop this idiocy.) Is this the answer for our ills? Are there folks on this blog that will try to defend this?! Really? Just what example anywhere on earth has this worked?! Isnt this simply more authoritarianism? Are they proposing not doing jack squat for 6 years and leaving you alone? Hmmmmmm? More taxes, confiscation, central control over our lives….Help me here. Can anyone explain anything good that will come from this?! https://apnews.com/a1770fd620d94bf58d0ff1035d3e0eea July 21, 2018 9:28 AM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope Obama created the Tea Party? I mean, I guess it is his fault that he was the first black President. . Before you go off on one of your “durrrrrr, why do you call Republicans racist?!” rants, I’ll direct you to this link: July 21, 2018 9:53 AM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Yep, that sure makes it clear that all conservatives are racist! ZZZZZ. Are you sure that is even a conservative or some liberals hired by Soros to get a photo op? Wonderful conclusive evidence. Lets get specific here. I bet you have 1000 friends or more. I do. You probably have more friends than I do. How many are racist? 2 or 3 at most. I cant come up with that many by the way. Probably half of your friends vote differently than you do if they represent the rest of the country. So there you go. Far less than 1% of your friends are racist yet you guys run around accusing all of conservatives of that and worse. Do you think conservatives are now traitors like some of the idiots in your party are spewing these days? What possible insult is low enough for liberals today? It’s pitiful. The numbers are not even possible but that doesn’t stop you does it? July 21, 2018 10:08 AM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Black president…believe me that is not the issue. I would happily vote for Colin Powell, Herman Cain, Tim Scott, Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice.,,all fine people. I don’t view Tiger Woods as anything other than a stomp ass golfer that happens to have more melanin in his skin. Hank Aaron. Great ball player. He is black. So what. 90% of the NBA, NFL, Boxing. In the south we grow up together. If you don’t get along with each other it is YOUR problem. Obama is a polished guy, fine family man and half white as well. Big whoop. If we all do a DNA test we are all mixed race. I could care less if he is transgender. I disagree with the radical socialist agenda. Its politics and ideas not color. We are all mutts descended from Lucy in Africa. Race is irrelevant. We are all African Americans aren’t we? Give me a break. July 21, 2018 10:15 AM Log in to Reply bethebalance I certainly understand the distinctions you make. Just one note is that race is not irrelevant. That’s a mistake so many make- and it is sometimes an intellectual one, not one based on emotional animus. So, in theory, race Should Be irrelevant. But in Reality, it is not. And that reality drives some progressive policies that prioritize socioeconomic equality- of opportunity (the Constitution btw also prioritizes equality). That’s the point of Black Lives Matter. Not to diminish other races, or to say that in theory, or at some point in the future, race becomes a distinction without distinction. It’s to draw attention to the present realities of racial inequality and advocate for policies that are needed now (but hopefully not needed forever). So when people respond that race is irrelevant, or say that All Lives Matter or such, it looks like- and is- a way of ignoring the reality that 0thers are screaming out loud, in pain, about. And that’s why people then judge that those against policies advocating for equality are racist. Because it’s hard to imagine other reasons why someone wouldn’t at least listen and acknowledge. Maybe only a relatively small % of folks are genuinely racist, but many many more seem to live in a bubble. All seems fine in the perfectly theoretical bubble, but humanity does not yet live in a post-racist world. The irony is that so many progressives just want to get to that world, and essentially put their own policies out of business because then they will no longer be needed. But those in the bubble see no reason to listen, and thus fight, and thus get called out as being racist, or antisocial, or hypocritical… July 21, 2018 3:34 PM Log in to Reply downthemiddle I agree with your post. Solid comments. No name calling. Refreshing. Race is NOT irrelevant. BUT it should not be used as a weapon, it should not be lied about and used to buy votes and sew dissention. Is there ANY DOUBT in anyone’s mind that the left uses race as nothing more than a way of buying votes, sewing hatred in hopes of getting the voters to the polls? Anyone screaming conservatives are all racists is a flat out liar. The numbers are not possible. But watch EVERY election this fall much less in the next presidential election. That is all the left will come up with. Racism and saying some other hateful lie about the opposition. What the hell else do they have? They are running on these policy issues. We want to raise your taxes and regulate you to death, we want higher energy prices which somehow will save the planet, we will call everyone else names and get absolutely NOTHING done. Not an inspiring message is it? Tell me where I am wrong. July 21, 2018 8:06 PM Log in to Reply Caroline Seriously do you not understand that African Americans and Hispanics can think for themselves and they just don’t like what the GOP has to say? The GOP has been using white nationalism going back to the days of Nixon and the Southern Strategy. Do you think that POC don’t see and understand and get the message from the GOP “we don’t want you”? Dems do not need to do it. The GOP does it for them. July 21, 2018 8:22 PM Log in to Reply bethebalance I’m not sure where you’re getting your info from, which is important. But I would start by saying that when people use their voices to decry institutionalized racism, it’s not because they prefer to be in that position. And when it is an issue, there is really no choice but to try to break those bubbles that other people live in (whether personally or in policy or politics). And those are not mere soap bubbles. As for what I expect to see Dems to run on, I don’t see what you see at all. There is an extensive platform, diverse viewpoints, and diverse styles. Equality of opportunity may imbue most every economic issue, for example, but it’s an All-American point to argue for it, and a necessary argument. But I sense what you’re really looking at is the backlash against Trump. Which is in no small part to the people he empowers, and the social environment that he engenders, as well as his intense and disproportionate focus on zero tolerance on immigration. In fact, one could easily argue that is his signature issue, and a main part of his electorate. The equal and opposite reaction to that is predictable, unavoidable, and necessary. I do expect Dems to run as counter-Trumps in some respects, though. The key word is going to be stabilize. Stabilize health insurance, including maintaining coverage for pre-existing conditions. Stabilize the economy, including issues of international trade. Stabilize relationships with our allies. Etc. And energy prices? That’s complex, but suffice to say that progressives look to the future of renewables in order to reduce prices – in the long term. Also to reduce the prevalence of Black Lung. Fwiw, the biggest increase in my energy costs have been at the hands of the Republican-dominated PSC. Again, it’s real important to know the strengths and weaknesses of your information sources. July 21, 2018 9:14 PM Log in to Reply Dave Bearse It’s the 50 year anniversary of the Republican party weaponizing race with its Southern Strategy. Unless you’re a millennial downthemiddle, you’d remember Willie Horton and stalwart Republicans like Strom Thurmond’s blatant appeals to racism. Unless you’re younger than a baby-boomer, you probably “didn’ grow up together” Only 1% or 2% racists? It wouldn’t take much to identify racist public statements by elected Republican officials in the 1%-2% range, let alone what they think, say and do in private, and the order of magnitude larger fraction of the base. Take 60-something year old life long Georgian former Congressman (looking for a government job) Lynn Westmoreland calling the Obamas uppity. Him saying he had no idea that that was inappropriate brands him a racist, liar or coward. Take your choice. (My choices are liar and coward—I don’t know what’s in his heart.) I understand the fears of many Trump supporters. But they needn’t worry because they’ll be treated and thought of much better than they treated and thought of others. For the record, I’ve been cowardly a few times. One instance that sticks out in my mind was calling out a racist remark to me in the presence of another by a co-worker I otherwise respected. The incivility now is because we’re fast approaching a majority of people that will no longer stand for willful ignorance. July 22, 2018 4:56 PM Log in to Reply MattMD_actual Why hasn’t this waste of life been banned yet? July 21, 2018 4:23 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 So the conservative posters are a waste of life?! That’s very tolerant on your part! July 21, 2018 4:59 PM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Libs sure love banning free speech don’t they? July 22, 2018 10:29 AM Log in to Reply Will Durant And some people are quick to toss off labels like lib, libtard, bed wetter, or any other pejorative they have heard from Hannity and Limbaugh for anyone who disagrees with any stance they are told to take. You are especially good for telling everyone what you think the libs are thinking even though you constantly display that your own thinking lacks the ability to even think for yourself. Case in point: “We will benefit from reduced tariffs.. Trump is smart enough to know that.” –downthemiddle July 22, 2018 12:42 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 As opposed to the pejoratives vomited by your side, “racist”, “Nazi” and ” Facist…” “Hate brown people…” July 22, 2018 1:01 PM Log in to Reply Will Durant You are the one assigning me to a “side”. I don’t accept assignments or pejoratives from trolls. I assign that name to you for your consistent internet troll-like behavior here. So consistent and constant it’s almost like you are being paid to do it. Could it be Putin Satan? July 22, 2018 1:09 PM Noway2016 Bless your heart! Lol! July 22, 2018 1:59 PM Noway2016 Awwwwwwwwwww Nawwwwwwww!!! America ain’t buying the hoax any longer!! http://www.climatedepot.com/2018/07/21/new-gallup-poll-americans-do-not-even-mention-global-warming-as-a-problem-36-problems-cited-but-not-climate/ July 21, 2018 4:32 PM Log in to Reply Caroline From last year but very interesting article: How the GOP became the Party of Putin https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/18/how-the-gop-became-the-party-of-putin-215387 This reminds me of some of our posters here: Russia has been targeting the American right since at least 2013, the year Putin enacted a law targeting pro-gay rights organizing and delivered a state-of-the-nation address extolling Russia’s “traditional values” and assailing the West’s “genderless and infertile” liberalism. That same year, a Kremlin-connected think tank released a report entitled, “Putin: World Conservativism’s New Leader. July 21, 2018 9:20 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Issue sounds settled to me! Donald J. Trump Verified account @realDonaldTrump Jul 21 Inconceivable that the government would break into a lawyer’s office (early in the morning) – almost unheard of. Even more inconceivable that a lawyer would tape a client – totally unheard of & perhaps illegal. The good news is that your favorite President did nothing wrong! July 22, 2018 9:09 AM Log in to Reply bethebalance Since I just caught The Princess Bride, the line that comes to mind is the one after Vizhini (sp.?) kept saying “Inconceiveable!”: “You keep saying that word but I do not think you understand what it means.” July 22, 2018 12:22 PM Log in to Reply bethebalance Maybe this will work: https://giphy.com/gifs/N7FeGLHjVsDQY/html5 July 22, 2018 12:35 PM Log in to Reply Will Durant Since Giuliani et al. approved the release of this particular recording’s content without attorney/client privilege protection what the H E double hockey sticks would you expect? A smoking gun? Also the usual word doctoring like “break into” and “illegal” are noted for describing the serving a fully authorized search warrant to prep us for the future findings to come from Cohen. They want the Trumpists stroked for later and will play those cards when the forthcoming evidence may not be so favorable. Generally though when the FBI serves warrants they don’t schedule an appointment, say, around tea time, shall we? July 22, 2018 12:56 PM Log in to Reply alpha male Not that the fact averse leftists will realize it, but the release of the FISA warrant against Carter Page spells the beginning of the end of the Mueller witch hunt. It proves that the fictional dossier was far and away the prime “ evidence” used to obtain the warrant. Not Papadopolus or anything else. It was the dossier. And it was not even revealed that it was commissioned by the dems. Despite all the sound and fury and wailing of teeth, this garbage is all over but the shouting. July 22, 2018 2:11 PM Log in to Reply bethebalance There were dozens of redacted pages. We will probably never see them, but will have to trust the judge(s) or investigator(s) that have/will. July 22, 2018 2:38 PM Log in to Reply Caroline Carter Page is more than likely a Russian agent. He has said he didn’t meet Russians and then when evidence went public about him meeting Russians he changed his story to well, he met Russians but they weren’t anybody important. Then when it came out he was meeting with Russian intelligence officers he just flat out started screaming and calling everybody a liar and then spouting deep state conspiracy theories. Dude, we have said from the beginning that the Dossier was only part of the puzzle. You guys are the ones that are obsessed with discrediting the dossier even though much of it has been proven. There has been a FISA warrant against Carter Page going back to 2013. He has long been thought to be a Russian agent even before Trump hired him for his campaign. Nope, the Mueller investigation is going to continue. The release of the FISA request does nothing to change that equation. You keep saying X is the end of the Mueller investigation but yet it never happens. However I’m sure Hannity is telling you that. Hannity lies to you though. July 22, 2018 2:40 PM Log in to Reply bethebalance I think the grey area here is that Page was definitely targeted to connect with the Trump campaign, and they made some headway with him (by trying to set up meetings, etc.). But it turns out maybe he wasn’t the best connection (amongst other ones available). But the degree of success does not excuse, nor does ignorance of the law. He may have just thought it OK because he had all these connections. And everyone in the campaign is like, we’re not politicians, how are we supposed to know? But, ignorance of the law does not excuse. I don’t think we’ll see much action between August and the election, but after Jan, 1, 2019, I think Mueller hits the gas hard. July 22, 2018 2:57 PM Caroline Carter Page has been rumored to have been the mule for the Trump campaign carrying messages directly to the Kremlin. This is just another thing we’re going to have to wait to hear from Mueller exactly what the relationship was with Carter Page and the Kremlin. July 22, 2018 5:57 PM Andrew C. Pope Look, alpha, I know you aren’t really going to read this with any sense of credulity. Even if you did, I know nothing I say is going to change your mind. . This is one of the reasons I’m no longer going to frequent this website. The discussion on this side is acrimonious and doesn’t make anyone any more intelligent or informed. Add to it the fact some folks get to drop racial slurs, engage in Anti-Semitism/homophobia/mysogyny with zero repercussion and this site has gone from “promising place to discuss politics” to “worse than the AJC comments section.” . Anyway, I say this as someone who used to work at the Justice Dept. The FISA materials released do the exact opposite of what you claim. Clearly there was evidence outside the Steele Dossier that led to the FISA warrant, the political nature of the dossier was fully disclosed to the Court in a nearly page long footnote, and subsequent renewals were based upon incredibly voluminous evidence. Again, I know this won’t chsnge your position, but Devin Nunes lied to you, dawg. July 22, 2018 4:01 PM Log in to Reply alpha male Bye Felicia! July 22, 2018 4:11 PM Noway2016 Anti semitism?? Who is it that’s always calling the conservatives “Hitler” and “Facist?” It’s not me, nor Silver, nor Alpha, nor Down, nor Raleigh, nor Sally…It’s you! July 22, 2018 4:23 PM Noway2016 And your pathetic standard bearer called her opposition coters, “Deplorables!!!” And you expect those who were insulted by her to just roll over and take it?!?!?! Seriously?!?!?! July 22, 2018 4:29 PM Dave Bearse Cut back maybe, but certainly don’t leave altogether. Your legal acumen. and contributions here are an great asset. “On what planet do you spend most of your time? Trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table… I have no interest in doing it.” — Barney Frank It’s understood you’ll not change Noway and some others opinions, but consider your influence on the remainder of us (including conservatives) and be more discerning in what you choose to rebut. July 22, 2018 5:16 PM bethebalance I agree w Dave. You add value to this site. I vary my levels of interaction, and have limited purposes and expectations. And there are many here who have open minds, but may not comment. You just have to find what’s in it for you, and ignore the rest. July 22, 2018 5:38 PM Will Durant I have to agree with Dave that your comments here are an asset. Just remember the often used adage of pig wrestling in the mud. No matter what the pig doesn’t possess the faculties to know he has been bested. He only knows he thoroughly enjoyed the proceedings and you are still just covered in mud. There are a few adults left here that value a good political conversation without the mud, even when we don’t always agree. Fewer than there once was unfortunately. July 22, 2018 5:50 PM Caroline I also agree with Dave. You knowledge of the DOJ is incredibly valuable in discussions here. July 22, 2018 6:00 PM Will Durant It is not a “fact averse leftist” thing, it isn’t even a right v. left thing, it is simply a right or wrong thing, and in that regard I try to always stay in the right. The “witch hunt” as you and the President continue to label the Special Counsel’s investigation of Russian interference has already produced real indictments using US intelligence findings. No mention of the Steele dossier is in those indictment. Why not take a walk on the wild side and read the article I linked above from The Intercept for a take on what has been revealed so far in proving Russian interference in our 2016 election process. Also the FISA warrants obtained by the FBI in 2016 regarding Carter Page have almost nothing to do with the warrants obtained by the Special Counsel for Cohen, to conflate the two is ludicrous. You have cast aspersions on these indictments and the “witch hunt” that was born of findings from our entire intelligence community that this interference can be traced to Putin without any input from the Steele Dossier. Even in the briefing to then President-Elect Trump on 8 JAN 17 the dossier was kept out of the main body. Director Comey was nominated to bring it up after the meeting on a one-on-one basis because of the sensationalist content but they felt it had to be mentioned because it was already “in the wild” on the net. In a typical Trumpian move of shooting the messenger Comey was accused of leaking the dossier to the media about a week later by the man himself. A dossier he was directly told was already in circulation. July 22, 2018 4:21 PM Log in to Reply Dave Bearse It’s all about rule of law except when it isn’t. July 22, 2018 5:00 PM Log in to Reply Caroline He sounds screechingly desperate in that quote. I’m guessing something big is going to hit the fan this week. July 22, 2018 2:20 PM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Something big is going to happen this week! Hmmmm. I guess this is week 100 that you have said the same thing isn’t it? If Carter Page is so bad, why is he running around talking to everyone? Shouldn’t he be in solitary confinement with Manafort? Does anyone remember another guy getting solitary for tax issues? By the way, if Page is a bad guy, much less Trump, lets bust their ass. If not, lets don’t frame them. Is that fair enough? Let’s bust the ass of the abusers of power too. Unlike many others involved in this, I want justice. Not anyone getting railroaded. So far, what have they got on Trump? Not a darn thing. If they did it would have leaked months ago. And with a 2nd Supreme Court pick being confirmed and with 6 more years of keeping the poisonous socialists at bay, I am very optimistic. Congratulations America! I feel like having a beer and a stogie! July 22, 2018 3:53 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope If Carter Page is so bad, why is he running around talking to everyone? . Because Carter Page is an idiot. July 22, 2018 3:54 PM Log in to Reply alpha male Actually, the question should be, if Carter Page is so bad, after being investigated for 2 plus years now, with all the resources of the FBI and all intelligence sources ,why has he not been charged with anything? July 22, 2018 3:59 PM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Ding, ding, dink Alpha! You are correct sir! July 22, 2018 4:23 PM Log in to Reply Caroline Have you considered the fact that he’s turned for Mueller? Mueller is working his way up the food chain. Maybe he just hasn’t gotten to Page yet. It would seem there could be a lot of reasons why Carter Page has not been charged. These types of investigations take a long time and Mueller has only been working on it for a year now. July 22, 2018 6:05 PM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Andrew, finally I agree with you about something. Page seems like a wacky goober to me. Not some sinister super spy! He is not bright enough to pull anything off. So thanks for the obvious. No was as an excuse. We have already shown that. We have proof with the testimony already given. July 22, 2018 4:27 PM Log in to Reply bethebalance Stupid ppl still commit crimes, even if unwittingly. July 22, 2018 5:33 PM Log in to Reply Add a Comment Cancel replyYou must be logged in to post a comment.