July 13, 2018 6:16 AM HomeMorning ReadsMorning Reads for (Eeek) Friday, July 13, 2018 Morning Reads for (Eeek) Friday, July 13, 2018 By Ginny Morning Reads 126 Comments And there was great rejoicing. Money. Money. Money. Money. Money. Money. Sweet deal. Gird your loins. It gets worse… But… but… but… You have to admit, it is fun to watch. When your neighbors make you nervous. Now I need to be packing a flame thrower at all times. Because spiders. If it wasn’t broken, why did you break it? No, no, no. Nope. No way. I wouldn’t open that in a million years. Share this:TwitterFacebookTumblrRedditEmailPrint Related About Author Ginny Get off my lawn. 126 Comments Will Durant Before I retired my manager could not be convinced that this is why I was so much more productive when I telecommuted. No one in that organization at a management level dared offer that the emperor had no clothes: https://m.signalvnoise.com/the-open-plan-office-is-a-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-idea-42bd9cd294e3 July 13, 2018 6:37 AM Log in to Reply Ellynn I think whether to use open plan, cubes or rooms has more to do with what your job/occuantion and how it functions then the plan type. If you work in a highly collaborative or creative field were your work is interactive with each others, open office allows belter communication and productivity. If you have singular or task driven job, not so much. July 13, 2018 12:12 PM Log in to Reply Will Durant Collaboration is why you should hold meetings in a room designed for palavering. Even the marketing team booked a conference room to actually collaborate on work. While at their desks it was mostly a collaboration in getting each other laid. Just my experience, YMMV. July 13, 2018 1:24 PM Log in to Reply Caroline Good quote from David Frum: If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy. We see this playing out a lot these days. July 13, 2018 7:45 AM Log in to Reply Noway2016 LOL! But win “democratically” they did! Yugely, by the way! Just ask Hillary. Gonna do it again in a few months!!! July 13, 2018 8:14 AM Log in to Reply Caroline LOL. Losing the popular vote by 3 million yeah, that’s HUGE win—not. It was 77K votes across 3 states using a relic of slavery. July 13, 2018 8:19 AM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Woulda……coulda….shoulda… Popular vote, as I’m sure you’ve now been schooled on, is irrelevant. But, but, but, but you take solace in that ‘popular vote’ win. LMAO!!! And, above all else, let that nervous little ‘lol’ and your ’77k’ in New Math tallies keep you company, while Trump rides on Air Force One and, umm, errr, Hilly and Billy fly commercial! That scenario, my dear, is Living Proof that there is a God!!!!!!!!!!!!!! July 13, 2018 8:38 AM Log in to Reply Caroline You’re making my point for me. The popular vote shows exactly how weak Trump is with the American people. There is a reason the majority of the country has been against him from the beginning. So you just continue to hang out in your little corner echoing your silly great man theory even though the facts do not support what you think. Yeah, I know. Bill has a best seller and you’re stuck with Trump. Living well is the best revenge. July 13, 2018 9:41 AM Caroline Here’s a picture for you https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-britain-blimp/snarling-orange-trump-baby-blimp-flies-outside-british-parliament-idUSKBN1K30Z3 July 13, 2018 9:45 AM Noway2016 “…shows exactly how weak Trump is with the American people. ” Yeah, In NY and CA! They’re Dim anyway. Facts?! LMAO! (Again…) And just what was the final Electoral College score? Even though I spot on predicted it…I done fergot!!! LOL! Rationalization, for losers, is a wonderful thing! LMAO! July 13, 2018 9:51 AM Caroline Sorry dude but it isn’t just NY and CA. He’s killing the farmers in the midwest. https://www.vox.com/2018/7/12/17564904/trump-popularity-state-approval Read it and weep. He’s gone negative in two states he carried in 2016 Ohio and Iowa and generally doing worse overall. So much winning. LOL. And that poll is over a month old. There have been lots of screw ups since then like snatching children. July 13, 2018 10:28 AM Enjoy the Silence NoWay2016, I have an honest question for you. You seem to revel in President Trump having won the election without winning the popular vote. Obviously, the way Presidential elections are structured, this can happen and has happened before. There is no way to change the past and not much point in debating the merits or pratfalls of such system as any such conversation would certainly devolve into a pointless slap-fight. Undoubtedly, you are firm believer in all of your positions but can recognize that a large number of citizens, perhaps and probably the majority of citizens, do not subscribe to your positions or the positions of President Trump. Do you believe that American leaders are elected to only represent the citizens with positions that align to their own or do you believe that American leaders should represent all citizens, taking into account the positions of all citizens, weighing them together to find answers that can help all Americans? July 13, 2018 10:38 AM Noway2016 Read my answer again. Your question came in your second paragraph. I answered ‘yes’ July 13, 2018 11:34 AM bethebalance Feel free to (foolishly) invest all your faith in the outcomes of future elections, but it’s clear your faith is not in God, but in a political party- or just your Man. July 13, 2018 12:02 PM Noway2016 Short answer to your second paragraph. Yes. And Trump said as much in his acceptance speech on election night. July 13, 2018 10:46 AM Log in to Reply Caroline The problem is Trump lies about everything. We are judging him by his actions . He could have moved to the center and not have had the majority of Americans against him but he decided that he is only gonna play to people like you. That’s his choice but there are consequences for coddling the far right and generally they come at election time. So far there has been a 20 point swing against the GOP in special elections. July 13, 2018 11:11 AM Enjoy the Silence I am sorry. Was that a response to my question? My question had two clauses and if it is a response to my question I am not sure which clause you are saying “yes” to. The clause asking whether American leaders are elected to represent the citizens with positions that align with their own or the clause where they are elected to represent all Americans? July 13, 2018 11:17 AM Noway2016 Represent allllll Americans like Trump said he’d do in his acceptance speech. July 13, 2018 11:35 AM Dave Bearse Take note of the implied definition of what constitutes an American to Trump and Trump supporters like Noway, Enjoy The Silence. July 13, 2018 12:07 PM downthemiddle Do you know what a republic is or what our electoral college is all about? Are you still yapping about the popular vote? Seriously? Do you want California and New York telling the rest of the country what to do? Could you pass a basic civics test? Anyone that wants mob rule has no idea what this country was founded on. Go figure! If the shoe fits… July 14, 2018 11:45 AM Log in to Reply bethebalance If a popular vote is mob rule, then so is all of democracy, including the Senate and House, particularly with the way that 50% plus one can admit a former representative of a foreign power into the Dept. of Justice, or moving to impeach someone trying to investigate those things. If you don’t want democracy to go by the majority of votes, I suggest you move to a parliamentary system, comrade. July 14, 2018 12:03 PM Caroline Thanks for confirming what David Frum said. The GOP will embrace totalitarianism and give up on democracy. July 14, 2018 12:06 PM Andrew C. Pope From a regulatory standpoint (i.e., things like vehicle emissions, product labeling, etc.) California does tell the country what to do. That’s the power that comes with being the largest market in the United States. July 14, 2018 10:09 PM alpha male Lessee here, the GOP currently own: 1) the White House 2) the US Senate 3)the US House 4) 34 Governorships to the dems 15 5) 30 complete state assemblies to the dems 12 6) 25 states with complete control of both the governor mansions and BOTH state houses. To the dems 6 states with total control. But according to you the GOP cannot win so must resort to non democracy. As I stated previously, you are COMPLETELY fact averse. As well as being a complete troll. July 13, 2018 2:11 PM Log in to Reply Caroline Dude, I’m talking about now. Trump’s numbers are bad enough that so far it has cost the GOP a lot so far in special elections. The next election is less than 4 months away. You are still stuck in the past. July 13, 2018 2:20 PM Log in to Reply alpha male Ummm, I hate to break it to you, but those stats I just quoted ARE now. July 13, 2018 2:25 PM Log in to Reply Caroline Those elections were IN THE PAST silly. They have nothing to do with where we are now as a country. Those elected officials at that time were not thought to have supported totalitarism but many now do. Supporting Putin is not what patriotic Americans do. Putin is our enemy not our friend and many of those you are talking about have embraced Trump and/or Putin. July 13, 2018 2:35 PM downthemiddle Libs have less power than any time since the 1920s. Thank God and now look at them. Bernie Sanders is not socialist enough for them. If they didn’t have a press lap dog that is just an extension of the DNC, we wouldn’t have to listen to them very often. July 14, 2018 11:47 AM Log in to Reply Benevolus Hey wasn’t it you who said (whenever a Dem wins something) people will always vote for whoever gives them the most free stuff? I know, I know. There’s a difference. GOP free stuff is better. July 13, 2018 2:31 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 No that was me. Using ol’ Confucius… July 14, 2018 5:55 PM Log in to Reply Will Durant Lessee here, how many policies of this GOP White House actually conform to traditional Republican/Conservative values. Putin puppetry aside for the moment let’s talk about the antithesis of free trade and Friedman’s Capitalism and Freedom, the tariff and its tangential trade wars. Just because a person is wearing your team colors doesn’t make them someone who deserves your cheering. Being averse to facts goes both ways and the fact is President Trump is neither a traditional conservative or Republican. The same goes for his congressional lickspittles. July 14, 2018 6:24 AM Log in to Reply Caroline I would say definitely on trade he’s not a traditional conservative. What I would call Trump is a paleo conservative much like Pat Buchanan. The GOP has had this strain of Trumpers for quite a while but never in control of the party. Would you call Pat Buchanan a “traditional conservative”? July 14, 2018 9:17 AM Log in to Reply Dave Bearse Remarkable results given the country is split 49 GOP – 51 Dem. Some of it is the system, and some of it is gamesmanship. A system that produces such results over an extended period of time is defective. The gamesmanship will have to increase as it has to as the GOP increasingly becomes a minority— a la Merrick Garland. We’ll be lucky, if it becomes a can getting kicked, that things dosn’t come crashing down when the disparity is great enough. July 14, 2018 11:43 AM Log in to Reply Caroline Right. The GOP can’t handle the fact that the country is not going to stand for minority rule for long. It creates instability and is bad for democracy. However since it appears Republicans don’t like democracy too much they do not care. July 14, 2018 12:13 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 You’re saying this because Repubs played the game properly to win the Electoral College? A system that’s been with us since our Founding? So, you lose the Prez contests a few times and now you want that system shitcanned? LOL! You’re a whiny child. July 14, 2018 5:59 PM Caroline No, dude. I’m talking about everything the GOP has done since the election. I know you guys are stuck on the election in the past since it’s been all downhill for Trump and the GOP since then. You want minority rule. Just go ahead and admit it. Yes, the electoral college needs to go. Everybody else Senators, Governors etc. are elected by popular vote. You guys are such snowflakes because you can’t get over the fact that Trump is a very weak president and weak presidents who don’t have the support of the country embrace totalitarism. July 14, 2018 9:42 PM Noway2016 You’re genuinely mentally ill. Minority rule? And you’re an idiot. Tell me, Sweetie, which electoral college number is the majority, 304 or 227? ‘Cause, in this case, it’s the only one that’s ever gonna be relevant. LMMFAO! July 14, 2018 10:36 PM Andrew C. Pope And you’re an idiot. And I don’t think you have much room to talk on this front. Unlike Caroline, I’m not going to decry “minority rule.” This is the system we’ve got and Democrats need to learn how to win within it. For example, agenda items 1a) and 1b) come January 2021 should be D.C. statehood and Puerto Rico statehood. That’s 4 million Americans who are disfranchised and denied complete representation in their government. Not only is it the right thing to do, it’s also 4 reliable Senate seats and at least 4 House seats. There are a ton of other things the Party is currently doing: 1) Investment in local/state races to give Democrats a seat at the table when redistricting comes around. The difference between a Republican drawn map that gets the approval of Cagle/Kemp is dramatically different from one that gets the approval of Abrams. 2) Restoring the voting rights of the disenfranchised Florida has felon voting rights restoration on the ballot this year. Virginia has already taken steps to restore the voting rights of disenfranchised felons. This is another one of those things that falls under the box of “the right thing to do” that also winds up helping Democrats because a large chunk of the voters are persons of color. 3) Educating voters on the importance of midterms. One of the things Republicans have excelled at is conveying the importance of courts and state control to their voters. These state elections will determine redistricting after the Census, the Senate elections may determine the direction of the Supreme Court and Trump’s ability to appoint judges to the judiciary. That isn’t always a message that has clicked in the heads of Democratic voters. 4) Challenging voting rights restrictions, implementing same day registration/universal voter registration/vote by mail/etc. When it’s easier to vote, more people vote. When more people vote, Democrats tend to do better. Trump would say that’s because an army of 5 million hijab wearing Mexicans casts illegal votes. People who operate in fact will say that voter ID laws and voting roll purges disproportionately impact minority voters and poorer voters. Like felon enfranchisement, this is another thing that is just the right thing to do in addition to something that probably helps Democrats. 5) Reauthorize the Voting Rights Act This one is pretty self-explanatory. We need to make it harder for states with a history of discriminating against minority voters to implement policies or election changes that are designed to depress minorities’ ability to vote. July 14, 2018 10:56 PM Andrew C. Pope Also 6) Stop writing off the South I’ve been in Democratic politics for a while and one common theme is liberals from New York, the Midwest, California, etc. acting as if the South is some kind of lost cause. Clinton performed better in FL, GA, NC, and TX than she did in Iowa. Clinton performed better in FL, GA and NC than she did in Ohio. Clinton performed better in FL than she did in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. Clinton’s margin in WI (46.45%) is practically the same as her margin in NC (46.17%) and GA (45.54%). Clinton’s margin in Texas (43.24%) was practically the same as her margin in Ohio (43.56%). Texas was the 4th largest source of raw Democratic votes. Florida was 3rd. There are Democrats in these states. These states are growing at higher rates. These states are getting younger. These states are getting more diverse. That a’int the case in Ohio, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. The notion that the South is going to remain the same monolithic bloc it’s been for nearly the entirety of this nation’s history is being undercut by changing demographics (which, I readily acknowledge, are not destiny). But the Party needs to invest money here in infrastructure, in developing a deep bench of candidates, in engaging voters on issues and in local races. For a long time, that push hasn’t been there. July 14, 2018 11:13 PM Will Durant Is it possible to have a political discussion here without your name calling, take drugs, are you taking drugs, and/or other trolling taunts? Please give your reasoning against someone’s political views if you have any and leave the schoolboy crap for other venues. The moderation of comments we used to have here and at PP was my primary attraction to the site in the first place. July 15, 2018 10:32 AM Will Durant This was meant for the other thread with yet another “take drugs” trolling taunt from Noway. July 15, 2018 10:36 AM Andrew C. Pope I think Caroline’s point – which, I admit, is poorly stated – was that Republicans control nearly all levels of government despite not having the support of a majority of Americans. 1) The White House Republicans have lost the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 elections. Yes, I realize that we have an Electoral College, but to Caroline’s point, Republicans are less popular than Democrats nationwide. 2) The US Senate Democrats earned 11 million more votes than Republicans in 2016 (53.8% to 42.4%) and yet they still don’t control the Senate due to the way we allocate seats, something that, like the Electoral College, is a vestige of the compromises made to slaveowners during the drafting of the Constitution. Wyoming and its 579,315 residents get the same number of Senate seats at California’s 39.5 million residents. For Wyomingites, that’s 1 Senator for every 289,657 residents. If we really followed the “one person one vote” concept for the U.S. Senate, the Democrats would enjoy a 487 to 347 advantage (a 500-347 advantage if you were to enfranchise the 4 million Americans living in Puerto Rico and Washington, DC). California alone would have 136 Senators. I guess the point I’m making is, don’t act like a Senate majority built on winning less populated states like Wyoming, Utah, Mississippi, etc. is some indication of the overwhelming popularity of the Republican agenda. 3) The US House In addition to the same “one person one vote” issue as the Senate, there’s also the issue of gerrymandering which makes the margin in the House a bad measure of the popularity of one party relative to the other. California has 53 seats in the House, that’s one Representative for ever 745,974 residents. Again, Wyoming gets 1 seat for every 579,315 residents. In other words, California is being shorted 15 House seats. There’s something un-democratic about a President who was not the choice of a majority of Americans appointing a Justice to a lifetime appointment on the Supreme Court and having that nomination confirmed by a Senate whose majority was not the choice of a majority of Americans. you are COMPLETELY fact averse. As well as being a complete troll. Pot, kettle, yada yada. July 14, 2018 10:39 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 You’re as bad as she is. The Repubs control everything you mentioned. And have done so abiding by the rules as they exist right now. You want the changes you and your ilk desperately croak about incessantly??? Try winning a few elections, control a few legislatures on any level and introduce your mythical reforms. Other than that, try to win over the electorate that you lost in ’16. July 14, 2018 10:52 PM Log in to Reply Caroline There is no need to “win over the electorate” from 2016. We don’t need Nazis and Neo Confederates to vote for us. The majority of Americans are against Trump and the GOP agenda. We just need to get people to show up and vote. You keep missing the point. You love the system that props up losers with the American people. If you can’t get the most votes you don’t get to run with a far right agenda. If you’re gong to defend the ability to “work the system” you need to also realize that said system also makes your agenda weak. July 15, 2018 7:03 AM Andrew C. Pope Caroline, this system Noway is propping up is the same system that elected Barack Obama with a much larger electoral vote tally than Donald Trump (one of the many “much larger” things which motivates Trump’s irrational hatred for his predicessor). This is the same system that elected Bill Clinton, John F. Kennedy, Jimmy Carter, and FDR. If you want to lead the campaign to change the Constitution to eliminate the Electoral College or create proportional Senate representation, be my guest. But you’ll find that winning down ballot races is much easier. July 15, 2018 8:10 AM Noway2016 “We don’t need Nazis and Neo Confederates to vote for us…” Keep the insults coming. Motivate The Deplorables a little more this morning than we were yesterday morning. Your words continue to be a real gift to us. Oh, Caroline?? Can you do me yuggggeeeee favor? Can you please tell me “Merry Christmas” for your continued gifts? I know your hero Marx might frown, but whattayasay?? July 15, 2018 8:27 AM Caroline FYI I have been against the EC for a long time. Yes, it elected Obama too but in that case we had one or two states deciding who was president which does not work for democracy. Obama would have won without the EC. I find it kind of funny people like Noway are willing to roll Republicans in states like NY and CA under the bus. I think the EC depresses voting and just in general is a relic of the past that no longer works. July 15, 2018 8:40 AM Noway2016 Thorazine, Carolina, massive doses of Thorazine. You are one ill pup! July 15, 2018 9:29 AM Caroline Noway, so you think Trump gets to insult the majority of Americans and there are going to be no repercussions to him but we shouldn’t point out that Nazis and Neo Confederates are not what we want America to be. Got it. July 15, 2018 11:11 AM xdog Cockfighting and poultry workers, immigration and citizenship, law enforcement and law intimidation in a majority Latino Arkansas town. https://www.theringer.com/2018/7/10/17538780/cockfighting-ring-arkansas-ice-donald-trump July 13, 2018 7:46 AM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Special place in hell for all animal abusers. These cockfighting dild*s are pure scum. July 13, 2018 8:22 AM Log in to Reply Benevolus Surely there is a better link to the Kavanaugh story than the Daily Caller via Drudge. And… So NOW we need to calm down about Supreme Court noms? Can’t find any comments about it from Kimball when Garland was nominated. Dude’s a piece of work. Racist apologist, conspiracy theorist, fascist water carrier. Dude’s obviously looking for a Trump Org. check in the mail. July 13, 2018 8:21 AM Log in to Reply Caroline I was laughing at Kavanaugh spending 200K on baseball tickets. How did that debt all get wiped out? He should be able to provide receipts. July 13, 2018 8:32 AM Log in to Reply xdog Can anyone tell me why Peter Strzok got a public hearing while Lisa Page will testify in closed session? July 13, 2018 10:37 AM Log in to Reply Noway2016 I believe Struck testified privately first, too. July 13, 2018 10:49 AM Log in to Reply Dave Bearse Ed Burmila and his Gin and Tacos blog is a favorite of mine. This http://www.ginandtacos.com/2018/07/11/enduring-institutions/ from that blog is short enough that I hope it won’t be considered poor manners here if reproduced on a Friday Morning Reads in its entirety below. “Lost in the shuffle with Kennedy’s retirement from the Supreme Court is the growing importance of the courts in resolving the outcomes of our increasingly complicated and fractious elections. Last fall I wrote a piece for the Washington Post attempting to clarify the seemingly confusing question of why the President would attempt to undermine confidence in the integrity of an election that he won. The takeaway point is that undermining Americans’ faith in the electoral process is one of the basic goals of the Trump “movement” because when that faith disappears, then “no one really knows” who won any given election. And once every election outcome is treated as an open question, the outcome ends up being either heavily influenced or outright decided by the permanent, non-elected institutions of the state: courts, bureaucracy, and, in truly failed states, the military. I mentioned in Episode 006 of the podcast that the growing chasm between how our system is supposed to work on paper and how it works in practice is one of the symptoms of a failing state, or at the very least democratic backsliding. Elections decided (or influenced) by something other than an actual count of the ballots cast are another symptom. Trump is setting up an insanely dangerous dynamic wherein the only way we can know if an election was fair is if Republicans win – that is, victory by the right is sufficient evidence that the insidious forces of liberalism were thwarted in their many efforts to rig the election. If the right loses, conversely, then that is sufficient evidence that the election was rigged against them. The short-term outcome is that American courts are likely to be called upon again, as they were in 2000, to resolve election outcomes in this new poisoned-well dynamic. Bear that in mind when realizing how Trump is reshaping the Federal courts. Then go have a couple drinks.” I’m going to, as people on both sides of the aisle will be doing, but for opposite reasons. But it’ll have to wait until after I leave work for the day. Happy weekend to all. July 13, 2018 10:50 AM Log in to Reply Caroline There’s a reason why the statement “Democracy is on the ballot in 2018” has such currency. July 13, 2018 11:21 AM Log in to Reply bethebalance There are a few lessons we can learn from failing or failed democracies- like some of the stepping stones to failure, which are typically steps towards tyranny. Those steps can include delegitimizing election outcomes, postponing or cancelling elections, disqualifying/jailing/eliminating political opponents, declaring states of emergency (or suspension of due process), and selective adherence to legislative or judicial directives. I can only pray America gets it right when faced with the present circumstances and choices. July 13, 2018 12:10 PM Log in to Reply Caroline “In the summer of 2016,” Strzok wrote, “I was one of a handful of people who knew the details of Russian election interference and its possible connections with members of the Trump campaign. This information had the potential to derail, and quite possibly, defeat Mr. Trump. But the thought of exposing that information never crossed my mind.” The above statement completely cut the GOP conspiracy theories off at the legs and also shows why Trump has been obsessed with Strzok. Strzok was one of the few peole in the FBI that knew the Trump campaign was in contact with the Russians. July 13, 2018 11:22 AM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Why don’t we cut to the chase. What he hell has TRUMP DONE on any of this Russia collusion crap? Not a damn thing. None of these indicted had anything to do with him. It is noting but a frame up. July 14, 2018 11:50 AM Log in to Reply bethebalance Apparently, some of the indictments indicated that Russian intelligence officers followed Trump’s direction when he asked Russians to find Clinton’s emails. Maybe that’s a one-way street, maybe not. Maybe Trump knew what all that was going on while some on his campaign staff and media buddies colluded. Maybe not. Probably, though. He’s always been sly enough to avoid using emails, and use a blocked phone #. But that’s what investigations are for. To find out yes or no. The innocent would care less about an investigation. Plus, you’ve said before that collusion is not a crime, but that’s because collusion is just a catch-all word that’s used to capture a range of potential crimes. July 14, 2018 12:14 PM Log in to Reply Caroline You should read up on the indictment. At best he’s a useful idiot for Putin. Roger Stone has admitted to being in touch with Russian intelligence and Trump. I guess you have forgotten about those that met with Russian Intelligence at Trump Tower and the meeting with the Russian Intelligence agent claiming to have “dirt” on Hillary. I guess you also don’t know that when no American bank would loan Trump money after declaring bankruptcy 6 times that the Russians came up with the money and that Eric Trump claimed that the money from Russia was flowing in. July 14, 2018 12:18 PM Log in to Reply Dave Bearse “No President has ever consulted more widely, or talked with more people from more backgrounds, to seek input about a Supreme Court nomination.” — Brett Kavanaugh That pretty much disqualifies Kavanaugh’s as an arbiter of words and facts, since “more people of more backgrounds” was limited to sycophants, the Federalist Society and Anthony Kennedy. Or brown people, gays et al aren’t real people. July 13, 2018 12:04 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 More junk indictments drom The Dipshit. Is Russia gonna turn over the military officers? They hacked the DNC. Lol! Ohhhhhhh, he also indicated 12 Nigerians for wanting to deposit 25 million dollars into yor bank account!!!! July 13, 2018 12:35 PM Log in to Reply Caroline It’s all about telling a story and story begins with the Russians hacking the DNC. And showing upending the GOP’s lies about how it wasn’t Russian agents that did the hacking. And then the story moves onto the Trump campaign being in receivership of stolen emails and being in contact with the Russians. July 13, 2018 12:43 PM Log in to Reply Benevolus To a sycophant, the only thing that matters is whether their Infallible Leader is involved. Nothing else matters. The rest of us are just expecting justice, wherever it leads. July 13, 2018 1:44 PM Log in to Reply Caroline Well, it seems Trump thinks that those Russians should not have even been indicted since he’s still calling it a “witch hunt”. Talk about someone who sounds like a guilty man. July 13, 2018 1:46 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 B, can you lead us all in a stiring rendition of “God Bless America “? July 13, 2018 1:51 PM Log in to Reply Benevolus Sorry, I’m not a fascist and that is apparently the only thing that you would follow. July 13, 2018 2:20 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Aghhhhhhh, the ol’ reliable “facist ” label!!!! LMFAO! July 13, 2018 2:38 PM Benevolus If the shoe fits. July 13, 2018 3:04 PM Noway2016 Lol! Such a dizzying intellect… July 13, 2018 3:11 PM Noway2016 Listen, sorry I asked you to utter the word, “God.” I know to you, saying that is like holy water for Dracula. Again, sorry! July 14, 2018 6:04 PM Caroline I guess you would like to hear that sung in Russian? July 13, 2018 6:09 PM Log in to Reply alpha male What is most hilarious are these lefties who do not even realize these indictments are junk. These folks will never face any court. And heck, if some of Mueller’s past indictments of Russians are any indication, some or maybe all of the folks indicted may not even exist. July 13, 2018 2:45 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Or they’ll send a defense counsel rep, pleading no guilty , rightfully demand discovery and see Mueller sputter again like The Dipshit he is! July 13, 2018 2:50 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope if some of Mueller’s past indictments of Russians are any indication, some or maybe all of the folks indicted may not even exist Want to cite an example or two there, hot shot? July 13, 2018 4:47 PM Log in to Reply Caroline This is how a mafia criminal investigation works. From what I understand you start at the bottom and move up the ladder. Patriotic Americans do not take Russia attacking our election integrity as a joke. FYI Russia is not our friend. July 13, 2018 6:07 PM Log in to Reply Dave Bearse Yeah. Rule of Law. Who gives a 5-!t? July 14, 2018 12:09 PM Log in to Reply bethebalance I agree- total junk. We should let foreign powers do whatever they want on our soil. Why even have Homeland Security? Probably just a bunch of deep state anti-Trump operatives there. July 14, 2018 12:18 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Yeah, like stream across our borders latching into our social services and stealing American Citizens ‘ birthright! July 14, 2018 7:45 PM Log in to Reply Caroline The news is reporting that in the indictments today the unnamed organization is beleived to be Wikileaks and the unnamed person is believed to be Roger Stone though Stone denies it. July 13, 2018 2:32 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 This just in: Mueller indicts Pepsi for advertising against Coke!!!! Gasp!!!! July 13, 2018 3:26 PM Log in to Reply bethebalance If it was Pepsi-grad committing corporate espionage against our hometown Coke. But WGAF? Crimes against American entities are none of our business. July 14, 2018 12:20 PM Log in to Reply Benevolus A couple of interesting things from the indictment: On or about August 15, 2016, the Conspirators, posing as Guccifer 2.0, received a request for stolen documents from a candidate for the U.S. Congress. The Conspirators responded using the Guccifer 2.0 persona and sent the candidate stolen documents related to the candidate’s opponent”,/i> That person knows who they are and I would suspect that they are going to be in trouble. Also: On or about August 15, 2016, the Conspirators, posing as Guccifer 2.0, wrote to a person who was in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump, “thank u for writing back . . . do u find anyt[h]ing interesting in the docs i posted?” On or about August 17, 2016, the Conspirators added, “please tell me if i can help u anyhow . . . it would be a great pleasure to me.” On or about September 9, 2016, the Conspirators, again posing as Guccifer 2.0, referred to a stolen DCCC document posted online and asked the person, “what do u think of the info on the turnout model for the democrats entire presidential campaign.” The person responded, “[p]retty standard. I think that is expected to be Roger Stone and looks like a shot across the bow to me. Also: In or around October 2016, KOVALEV and his co-conspirators further targeted state and county offices responsible for administering the 2016 U.S. elections. For example, on or about October 28, 2016, KOVALEV and his co-conspirators visited the websites of certain counties in Georgia, Iowa, and Florida to identify vulnerabilities Also: …together with others known and unknown to the Grand Jury ! July 13, 2018 4:24 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope Been out of commission most of the day, but the portions of the indictment dealing with Russian targeting of state sites has the potential to be very problematic for Brian Kemp. July 13, 2018 4:46 PM Log in to Reply Benevolus Like his role model though, it’s never his fault. I can write the press release for him now: “We identified the threat and took immediate action, and replaced the IT guy at Kennesaw State who brought it to our attention.” July 13, 2018 5:43 PM Log in to Reply Will Durant Can the GOP Survive a Trade War? The economic effects will have political consequences for Republicans at every level of government. On July 6, Donald Trump carried out his vow to slap tariffs on $34 billion worth of Chinese goods, and China immediately reciprocated by penalizing U.S. imports, from soybeans to Teslas. The European Union, Canada, and Mexico also imposed retaliatory levies in response to Trump’s provocations. Four days later, he escalated the feud, threatening tariffs on an additional $200 billion in Chinese products, including auto parts, refrigerators, and electronics, as well as baseball gloves and handbags. The global trade war is on. Trump says trade wars are “easy to win.” Economists think differently, although most expect the U.S. to emerge without serious damage. A bigger question is: Will Republicans? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-13/can-the-gop-survive-a-trade-war July 13, 2018 6:50 PM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Not gong to be a trade war. We have been in one. We will benefit from reduced tariffs because everyone else has more to lose than we do. Trump is smart enough to know that. I guess the other presidents the last 30 years were not. July 14, 2018 11:52 AM Log in to Reply Dave Bearse Ah yes, there must be a loser for their to be a winner. July 14, 2018 12:14 PM Log in to Reply Dave Bearse there not their. bring back the edit button. July 14, 2018 12:15 PM Log in to Reply bethebalance We are in the middle of several mid-level trade conflicts, which could fizzle out with new trade deals, or escalate. I think the most likely determinant of which path gets taken is Trump’s political position. Will he need a distraction, or some sort of security-based reason, in order to remain electable in 2020? July 14, 2018 12:23 PM Log in to Reply Will Durant “We will benefit from reduced tariffs.. Trump is smart enough to know that.” Huh? Has Hannity not ‘splained the situation to you yet? President Trump is raising tariffs and generating new ones while threatening to raise them even more in his Art of the Deal style of belligerent negotiation. The traditional conservative mantra has always been FREE TRADE and not for just the last 30 years. I’m beginning to think some of his supporters would let him get away with shooting someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue. July 14, 2018 6:09 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/betting-farm-why-heartland-still-believes-trump-despite-plunging-prices-n886941?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma July 14, 2018 6:45 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Institute the 5th set tiebreaker. 26-24 is ridiculous. After this and his 15-13 over Fed, Anderson will be lucky to even be able to walk Sunday afternoon. I used to be a purist on this but not anymore. It works just fine at our US Open! Enough is enough. July 13, 2018 10:33 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope At least Anderson gets a day to rest, Djoker and Rafa have to go back out and grind the rest of their match. Isner-Anderson was awful tennis. The fact John Isner hasn’t developed anything other than his serve in 33 years on this planet is beyond me. July 13, 2018 10:39 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 True enough. So, does Joker take it tomorrow? I’m hoping so… July 13, 2018 10:46 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 They’re up at 8 am before the ladies July 13, 2018 10:48 PM Log in to Reply MattMD_actual What is the least bit interesting about tennis? I’d rather crack open a tall boy and watch leaves rustle on trees. July 14, 2018 1:25 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope The strategy. The physical talent. The human drama. Isn’t that the answer for any sport? High level tennis is a beautiful mix of fast-paced decision making, chess-like strategy, and physical/mental skill. Plus, tennis fans are spoiled because Federer, Serena, Nadal, and Djoker are the absolute best to ever play the game and they’re all active at the same time. It’d be like peak Jordan, peak LeBron, peak Chamberlin, and peak Magic all active at the same time. July 14, 2018 1:42 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn I have watched the Wimbledon final every year since I was a child. The current level of play is so extraordinary and the number of aces has made the games more a match of strength and induvial swings then one of strategy, all around shot skills and playing against the third player on the court – the grass. There is less drama now due to technology which can override a judge and the lower number of the lucky bounces and sliding returns. The game is still awesome. July 14, 2018 2:30 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 And I used to think I was spoiled in the era of Connors, Borg, Mac and Lendl. Through in slightly later arrivals of Wilander, Becker and Edberg and you still have a great bunch of guys. But like was just mentioned, they don’t hold a candle to the Current Crop. And as the biggest fan Fed has, I have to admit I was pulling for Joker today. And there’s not a dang thing wrong with Nadal. A gentleman in every aspect of everything. But with 20 GSs and 17 GSs among just two men is beyond extraordinary. And Joker with 12? Ungodly. I’m predicting Joker tomorrow, although he’s more mentally fragile than Fed or Nadal. July 14, 2018 5:48 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope It should be noted that there’s a distinct difference between the tennis you see out of Fed, Djoker, and Rafa vs. the type of tennis you see from lumbering servebots like Isner. Watching an Isner match is less exciting than watching paint dry and I’m happy I avoided that 6.5 hour abomination yesterday. July 14, 2018 6:32 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope Also, Serena is the GOAT. No “women’s” or “men’s” qualifier to it. The level of quality and depth in the women’s side is better than what we’re seeing out of the men and has been for some time. Also, I’m not sure if Fed has ever made a GS final less than a year removed from a near-death medical complication. July 14, 2018 6:34 PM Ellynn I’ll agree with Serena as GOAT for single play. For overall – singles, doubles, mixed… Martina. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martina_Navratilova July 14, 2018 6:53 PM Noway2016 If it were deep in the middle of Fall, I’d agree with you. July 14, 2018 5:39 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Tell us Doc, is there any sport you like? July 14, 2018 5:49 PM Log in to Reply MattMD_actual College and NFL. Some baseball on the side. July 14, 2018 7:26 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn Just set the whole colluding thing aside for the moment. We the United States of America were invaded through cyber warfare. Actual witches went snooping around state voter rolls, hatched a pollical database, sold goods to a US congress member and dealt with a US citizens who had ties to a presidential campaign. Doesn’t matter if the US citizens and pollical types are completely innocent or not, WE WERE INVADED. Russia tried to affect the results of an electric. Russia wanted destroy democracy, break the back bone of our republic and mess around with our freedom. That is what everyone of us should focus on, before Russia does it again. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/us/politics/dan-coats-intelligence-russia-cyber-warning.html July 14, 2018 2:15 PM Log in to Reply Dave Bearse And the denial that it even occurred for the reason that could lead to an illegitimate President and discredit political power, is why the word traitors is relevant. July 14, 2018 2:34 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn Using terms like illegimate president and traitor leads to folks ignoring the actual crime before any one really knows what happened -thus creating the division that will just allow Russia to keep doing it. July 14, 2018 2:59 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope If GRU officers broke into the DNC or DCCC headquarters and stole multiple computers and documents, people would be alarmed. If KGB agents stole John Podesta’s laptop at gun point, people would be alarmed. Turns out, Russians got their hands on a heck of a lot more information than they would have if they’d opted for robbery/burglary over computer hacking: analytics data, donor information, passwords, emails, strategy documents, a record of every keystroke DCCC/DNC employees entered, unfettered access to the party’s servers… this was a full fledged foreign attack on private US citizens. This is North Korea’s Sony hack on steroids infused with even more steroids. Everyone should be pissed off about this. July 14, 2018 6:40 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Obama himself said our national election couldn’t be influenced in any serious way. If Hilly had won, we wouldn’t have heard word one about any of this. The only collusion was with Hilly and the creation of the dossier. July 14, 2018 7:50 PM Log in to Reply Caroline Are you kidding? If Hillary had won Putin would have continued having useful idiots like Trey Gowdy gin up stuff. Patriotic Americans do not make excuses for Putin like you are. Putin is our enemy not our friend. July 14, 2018 9:48 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn Meanwhile in Ireland, https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/scorched-earth-during-heatwave-reveals-new-monument-at-newgrange-1.3561326 July 14, 2018 3:01 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Quit being a Wuss, Will ! I guess it’s ok for you and your fellow Whiners to call me a Nazi and a racist, right?? Go take a nap! It’s obvious you need rest. July 15, 2018 10:52 AM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Although my personal favorite of late is when someone called Trump voters “cultists.” Pure, unadulterated denial! July 15, 2018 11:08 AM Log in to Reply Will Durant Ah yes, yet another trolling response. I’m simply saying it really detracts to keep any salient point you might actually possess from getting across if when your quiver is dry you always resort to schoolyard antics. At least go back to utilizing deflection when you can’t be cogent on the issue under discussion. I think I understand why your antics have been tolerated here as we need an Right foil or two, if not a Putin proselyte. But if you want to proselytize effectively then at least take the schoolboy act up to what is permitted on a high school debate team. July 15, 2018 11:29 AM Log in to Reply Noway2016 I think I’m actually tearing-up! July 15, 2018 11:54 AM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope This place is worse than the AJC comments section. July 15, 2018 1:04 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Awwwww Nawwwwww! Bout time!! https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/07/14/rosenstein-not-smiling-anymore-after-house-republicans-spotted-with-his-impeachment-docs-654125 July 15, 2018 1:42 PM Log in to Reply Will Durant “No. For what? Impeach him for what? No,” Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) said on CBS’ “Face the Nation. “I’ve had my differences with Rod Rosenstein. I talk to him quite often privately, which again is a lot more constructive than the public hearings we have,” Gowdy said. “He’s a Trump appointee. So is [Attorney General] Jeff Sessions. So is [FBI Director] Chris Wray. If President Trump is dissatisfied with Rod Rosenstein, he can fire him with a tweet.” “…I’m not convinced there is a movement[to impeach Rosenstein],” Gowdy said. “I read about it in POLITICO and sometimes their sources are better than mine. But I’m not part of that.” https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/15/gowdy-rosenstein-impeachment-722237 BTW, that site is at best iffy. Not quite up to some of Harry’s past ones but close. It took the original Politico article from a couple of days ago and added its own um.. embellishments. “Some say… seen as sketchy by some..” along with other unattributed commentary, falsehoods, and editorial opinion not labeled as such. Besides that it is a site that won’t even tell you who owns them while maintaining that they are fighting the “censorship of conservative news” while making at least 25 or so call outs to other marketing, spamming, and Google tracking sites. Next time if you would just link the original Politico source story it would be appreciated and save me the time of checking out what I may be clicking on in advance. Or as I do most of the time, not even bother to click on a suspect site, even with my sacrificial netbook. July 15, 2018 5:30 PM Log in to Reply bethebalance Gowdy can speak a little more freely than other House Repubs if he chooses. I think the stories are just trial balloons to see if the impeachment idea would gather enough support, and to measure the backlash. July 15, 2018 6:45 PM Log in to Reply bethebalance On a related note, just to point it out, Jim Jordan seems to be able to figure out: 1 )That there is a deep state conspiracy against him being in Congress; and 2) That there is a deep state conspiracy in the FBI. But he was not able to figure out that there was sexual abuse by the team doctor despite over ten years’ worth of wrestlers saying out loud- or directly to him- that there was sexual abuse by the team doctor. July 15, 2018 7:06 PM Log in to Reply Caroline Good one! July 15, 2018 7:41 PM Caroline Good write up of the Mueller indictments https://www.lawfareblog.com/russia-indictment-20-what-make-muellers-hacking-indictment July 15, 2018 4:08 PM Log in to Reply Add a Comment Cancel replyYou must be logged in to post a comment.