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Enjoy the Silence
Enjoy the Silence

Teri, your byline is a little outdated on this site. You won your election last I checked.

John Vestal
John Vestal

Nice ‘Newhart’ ref. 20 points Hufflepuff.

Will Durant
Will Durant

Gin and tonics are quite effective as a mosquito repellent. At least with enough of them on board the mosquitoes don’t bug you at all. Besides that, the taste alone just screams medicinal.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

I’ll have plenty to say about Kavanaugh in the weeks to come, but suffice to say the first news story out of the gate isn’t a good one. NBC reported this morning that Justice Kennedy had been in negotiations with the Trump campaign for months over his replacement. Once Kennedy received assurances that it would be Kavanaugh, he agreed to retire. The White House did not dispute this reporting during Raj Shahs’ appearances on the morning shows. From an ethical perspective this is incredibly shady. A judge cannot secretly negotiate a benefit he wants with a litigant who has other… Read more »

Jack Fitz
Jack Fitz

I’d hardly suggest this is the first instance where a sitting justice lined up their potential replacement. Its not necessarily quid pro quo, but it’d be naive to think this hasn’t happened before.

I think he’ll get confirmed and I don’t think this is the cross to die on politically for Democrats. Bluster away to keep the donors happy, but confirm and move on. Give McConnell this one so he doesn’t dig his heels in when he’s needed for impeachment proceedings. And that IS quid pro quo.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Jack. The number is 68. You gonna get 68 senators to vote to convict? You’re high…

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

so he doesn’t dig his heels in when he’s needed for impeachment proceedings So move the Supreme Court further to the right for the next 30 years in exchange for a promise McConnell will inevitably break in the .0000000001% chance Trump gets impeached? I’ll give you this, it certainly seems like something the Democratic Party would do. Impeaching Trump is a stupid idea. There’s an election in four months. Focus on that. If you win the Senate you can place a hard stop on all of Trump’s judicial nominations. You can investigate why the White House is exempting Ivanka’s sweat… Read more »

Jack Fitz
Jack Fitz

I’m looking at this from the perspective of “he’ll get confirmed” so at least get something off of McConnell when the time comes. And I agree, I don’t think you’re actually going to get to a full impeachment trial. So you won’t need the 68 that Noway actually is correct about. Mueller will produce something, and getting the sway of Senate Repubs to not provide Trump cover, he’ll pull a Cartman and say, “screw you guys, i’m going home.” He’s a child, and when he’s threatened with actually punishment to himself or his family, he’ll say “DC sucks, I tried… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

I think you’re grossly misunderstanding Mitch McConnell. His primary motivating factor is the collection of increased political power. Full stop. He doesn’t keep promises unless they’re politically expedient for him. There is no universe in which he’s saying “yeah, I’ll lay off come impeachment time” without his fingers crossed behind his back. There’s a non-zero chance Kavanaugh won’t be confirmed. Kagan’s confirmation took 87 days. That was during a mid-term election year. Like Kavanaugh, there was a lot of material for Senators to sort through, including every email Kagan ever sent while she was in government. Kavanaugh isn’t get a… Read more »

ScottNAtlanta
ScottNAtlanta

I dont think McConnell is going to run for reelection. I think he will retire. I’m not convinced he can be reelected with everything he has done in the last couple of years

alpha male
alpha male

Laughable post. McConnell gets re-elected in Kentucky as long as he wants to stay. Which is hopefully a long long time. He has been a brilliant majority leader

Caroline
Caroline

If Mueller comes up with records of Russian money being laundered through the RNC then McConnell is done. If the GOP loses the senate or even loses some seats in 2108 and 2020 being a worse year for the GOP I think he’ll go ahead and resign because his at this point I don’t think he wants to go back to being minority leader.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

I won’t dispute his talents as majority leader. But he’ll be 78 in 2020.

I think it depends on how Republicans perform in 2018 and how the races shape up in GA, TX, NC, ME, CO, IA, and AZ (I’m assuming that McCain’s terminal cancer results in a special election at some point in the next two years)

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

If Mueller comes up with records of Russian money being laundered through the RNC then McConnell is done.

Why do the liberal leaning folks on here consistently underestimate Mitch McConnell?

Benevolus
Benevolus

The gap between “wish” and “probably” looks pretty small from just the right angle.

alpha male
alpha male

Your tears are delicious this morning. I am enjoying them as I celebrate Justice Kavanaugh!

Both the 1st and 2nd amendments are safe from the liberals for another day!

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

“We’re going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.” “No one with lose coverage.” “Nobody will be worse off financially.” “Everybody’s going to be taken care of.” “a lot less expensive” for consumers and for the government “ “People are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything.”… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

“If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor…”
Barack Obama

Will Durant
Will Durant

That was then. This is now: Health Insurers Warn of Market Turmoil as Trump Suspends Billions in Payments https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/07/us/politics/trump-risk-adjustment-payments-obamacare.html In our march towards fascism one president can completely undermine their predecessors’ statements and actions with impunity. Consequences be damned. Both domestically and on the world stage. Other nations like Iran and the other signatory countries (UK, Germany, Russia, France, and China) now know that our treaties have the same veracity as they did with the Cherokee, Sioux, Apache, etc. in previous centuries. And of course there is NATO, the G7 (6, 8, whatever), climate change, or the many other commitments… Read more »

Caroline
Caroline

There are estimates of insurance going up around 50% on the individual market. Maybe even more.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

Citing an Obama remark rebutting part of one of seven Trump quotations where Trump said people can have their doctors, but not even the remainder of that one remark about people negotiating great plans with lots of competition and having everything is the point taken. Bravo.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Was it Noway or alpha male who ran their mouths about how Judge Sullivan would toss Flynn’s plea deal for prosecutorial misconduct?

Turns out Judge Sullivan doesn’t have an issue with the delay of sentencing for Flynn but is concerned with the burden on the probation office. Govt. and Flynn lawyers will begin procedural sentencing work even though the govt. isn’t ready for sentencing.

Noway2016
Noway2016

When do you think McCabe is indicted for lying? Weeks? Months?

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Given that I’ve been consistently right on how these legal proceedings are progressing, I’m going to venture out and say McCabe isn’t going to be indicted for anything.

Noway2016
Noway2016

But why won’t he be? He’s lied on multiple occasions.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Will your answer be….”he didn’t intend to lie…”
or
“No reasonable prosecutor would bring a case for perjury…”

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Let’s just say it’s my gut feeling as someone who used to work at DOJ.

There’s insufficient evidence of the requisite intent.

Caroline
Caroline

Trump lied on 4 income tax returns that we know of so far. Do you think he should be indicted?

Will Durant
Will Durant

Deflect much?

Kara
Kara

The article is misleading. Gin & Tonic was never meant to be a mosquito repellent. Tonic contains quinine which prevents malaria (which you get from mosquitoes). It doesn’t prevent you from getting bitten; it might prevent you from getting malaria when you do get bitten.

Also can we drop the whole “you can keep your doctor” line of BS now? We all understand that Obama was wrong when he said that. But framing it as an intentional lie when we currently have the King of Lies in the WH is the height of hypocrisy.

Gregs
Gregs

If you drink enough gin and tonic you won’t care about mosquitoes.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Trump: The left is saying really mean things about ICE agents

Also Trump: I’m gonna pardon these two guys who nearly killed BLM officers by intentionally burning down federal property.

downthemiddle
downthemiddle

It is “mean” to say that ICE should be destroyed and disbanded, its agents are Nazi like guards and are the problem instead of the illegals? That seems to be the lib platform.

Will Durant
Will Durant

Who are you to constantly be putting words in the mouths of others?

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Let’s assume you’re right (you aren’t):
Calling someone a Nazi isn’t the same as nearly killing someone via arson.

Will Durant
Will Durant

The lies have been many from the Twitty Pulpit. Perhaps the most consistent being the denial of Russian interference in the 2016 election. Not just of his campaign’s possible collusion or subsequent obstruction from his administration but the findings of every branch of the intelligence community that the Russians not only conducted a concerted effort to denigrate Clinton and elevate Trump. And the conductor of that concert was Vladimir Putin. In the beginning I thought perhaps his ego just couldn’t take the fact that this interference tainted his win. As time passes and the monkeyshines like flinging “Witch Hunt” with… Read more »

Caroline
Caroline

All I gotta say is the GOP should keep defending the odious behavior of ICE. I mean there have been at least one case of pedophilia and numerous other horror stories about ICE.

Jack Fitz
Jack Fitz

I wonder when ole Coattails Casey is gonna mention Georgia dropping from 2 to 7 in the CNBC best state rankings. I mean its an arbitrary rating, but I’m sure he’s used it before to tout his bona fides.

downthemiddle
downthemiddle

Why is it that almost all CNBC “best “states to do business are Red States? Why are folks leaving the highly taxed, highly regulated, business unfriendly, liberal controlled states to go to places where it is so much easier to live and succeed? And as those citizens flee those socialist states, don’t the same states double down by raising taxes even more, making it more difficult for the remaining folks that live there?

bethebalance
bethebalance

Why is that highly complex issues are always boiled down to blue and red for you? Where red insists that all is cut and dry, but nothing actually is?
jic you missed it, those are rhetorical questions.

Jack Fitz
Jack Fitz

The top 10 is evenly split between “red states” and “blue states”, but I’m sure that doesn’t fit your narrative. So don’t let facts get in the way of your opinion. Yes, businesses like getting free money from states. Call it what you want to call it, but if I’m a business owner and a state says “come here and we won’t tax you”, that’s not necessarily a “low tax” state. That’s a subsidized business via the other taxpayers in the state. Again, top 10 is evenly split “red” v. “blue”. And if you want to add up the rankings,… Read more »

bethebalance
bethebalance

Please break down further by defining “control” in terms of red v blue. Are we talking governors, or both chambers of legislature? Or supermajorities? Or judicial decisions?
Please, go downthemiddle of the path with the sign that reads: “Intellectual Frauds Enter Here.”

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

almost all CNBC “best” states to do business are Red States Looking at the top 10: 3 are red states (#1 TX, #3 UT, #7 GA) 5 are blue states (#2 WA, #4 VA, #5 CO, #6 MN, #8 MA) 2 are purple states (#9 NC, #10 FL) – North Carolina has a Democratic governor, a Republican legislature, 2 Republican senators. It went Republican in 2012 and 2016 but went Democrat in 2008. – Florida has a Republican governor, a Republican legislature, 1 Republican senator, and 1 Democratic senator. It went Democrat in 2008 and 2012 but went Republican in… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Not only is your conclusion incorrect, it’s also rather simplistic. People and businesses move for a number of reasons. Sometimes the type of things that encourage a business to relocate are the type of things that cause citizens to move (e.g. rolling back labor protections, tax incentives being funded by cuts to public services, cutting environmental regulations). Sometimes the type of things that attract would-be employees are the kinds of things that drive businesses away (e.g., higher marginal tax rates and corporate taxes to support broader social services, higher minimum wage, more worker protections and stronger union rights). A business… Read more »

Benevolus
Benevolus

Random poll:
– Do you believe that Russia tried to influence the 2016 election? Simple yes or no.

bethebalance
bethebalance

The professional pollsters and other nerds on this site may not oblige you using “random” in a colloquial meaning, when truly random polling is a thing.

Will Durant
Will Durant

OK, call it an informal poll.

YES

Noway2016
Noway2016

I’m gonna say no just to get you to give me bullet points on what you think they actually did. Hacked Podesta? Hacked voting machines? Changed a vote from Hillary to Trump? Buy Facebook ads? What?

Benevolus
Benevolus

I’ve tried to type responses to this about 3 times and none of them are worth the effort, so forget it.

Will Durant
Will Durant

We’ve already been down this rabbit hole.

Caroline
Caroline

Take it up with Mueller. He said the Russians said “Trump and Sanders” were their guys and they were supposed to be helping those two. I have a feeling that when we all find out what was going on that even those of us who already are keeping up with what is going on with regards to the GOP and Russia/Putin are going to be surprised as to how much worse it really is.

Benevolus
Benevolus

I think the point I was going to try to make was this: If we could at least agree that Russia was trying to interfere in the election, then Mueller’s investigation is appropriate. But the Protectors of The President are fearful of where that investigation might reach so they continually try to de-legitimize the whole investigation, causing some to then go so far as to deny any Russian interference at all. If we could agree on the FACT that Russia tried to interfere in the election, then we could theoretically discuss what the appropriate avenues of inquiry are, but what’s… Read more »

Caroline
Caroline

That and then there are those that see Putin as a good guy as someone we should ally ourselves with and so what if Putin wanted Trump elected. White evangelicals and Putin apparently have a lot in common. Even Franklin Graham went over to Russia and praised Putin.

bethebalance
bethebalance

I respect the effort, but I don’t expect you’ll find that common ground. You could lay out every detail, but there will always be a way to disagree, even if it’s an unprovable conspiracy theory. Because even if some folks do agree- and they very well may- it’s not in their interests to admit it. They may be OK with acknowledging it if/when things take a wrong turn, but you won’t find the overt agreement until it’s in the party’s interest to acknowledge it.

Will Durant
Will Durant

Regardless of the actions from Trump lapdogs Jordan and Nunes in the House the Senate Intelligence Committee in a bipartisan (majority Republican of course) action last week reaffirmed the Intelligence Community assessments released last January. I guess it wasn’t controversial enough and played to little fanfare compared to Jordan’s attacks on Rosenstein, et al. At least some Republicans see the value of acknowledging the obvious regardless of the President’s myopia and I am taking some hope that a bipartisan panel can at least off their opinion that the ICA report is a “sound intelligence product”. I still have my reservations… Read more »

Benevolus
Benevolus

Given the circumstances, it wouldn’t surprise me if the IC isn’t telling Trump the details of any classified intelligence they have supporting the conclusion of Russian interference because they can’t trust him not to blab it to any and everyone. (Having another private meeting with Putin would justify their wariness.) So he may deny their interference because he hasn’t seen the evidence.

Wouldn’t surprise me if they also use a fake ‘nuclear football’ for him.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Cue “Twilight Zone” music…

Enjoy the Silence
Enjoy the Silence

I am going to give this a whirl by borrowing from the modern day Renaissance Man, Willard Carroll Smith, Jr.: Now this is the story all about how America got flipped, turned upside down And I’d like to take a minute just sit right there I’ll tell you how foreign cash bought the election of Mr. Comb-over hair In Citizens United the issue was born and raised With PACs is where corporations can spend most of their bank Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool And all shooting wads of cash to buy some tool When a couple of guys, they… Read more »

Will Durant
Will Durant

Here’s a quote from James Comey’s book in a description of an intelligence briefing conducted almost two weeks prior to the inauguration (yanno, the one attended by more people in history…), it has an almost identical description in James Clapper’s book as well: This was to be the third and final briefing session by the leadership of the intelligence community—referred to inside the government as the IC—to describe the classified findings of an intelligence community assessment (ICA) of Russia’s actions during the presidential election. At President Obama’s direction, analysts from the CIA, NSA, and FBI, coordinated by senior analysts from… Read more »

bethebalance
bethebalance

But wasn’t Peter Strzock (sp.?) the real puppetmaster behind all these agencies?

The best reply (ever): No, you’re the puppet.

Caroline
Caroline

That made me laugh at Trump. Of course, Trump always accuses everyone of being what he himself is so he’s the puppet. The fact that he’s Putin’s puppet is pretty much obvious in everything he’s done. Now the senators that went to Russia came back and said we need to get rid of sanctions on Russia. Putin bought the party of Reagan for rubles. The communists were so stupid. They wasted all that money on military machinery. Don’t forget now Trump says the KGB is a-0kay.

Noway2016
Noway2016

No snark: how did they denigrate Hillary?

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

No snark… you routinely prove that you’re unwilling to listen to other people and completely closed off to information that challenges your world view. So why should anyone waste time detailing the conclusions our intelligence communities have reached regarding Russian interference within this election?

In other words, no one believes you’re asking this question earnestly.

Will Durant
Will Durant

You are the one with the links to RT, many of which denigrated Hillary Clinton. Are you implying that you only subscribed for the pictures and didn’t actually read the articles?

Noway2016
Noway2016

Again, in what way was she “denegrated?”

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Loving Noway’s attempts to act like he isn’t the guy who champions child molesters and drops racial slurs on the regular.

Will Durant
Will Durant

Being deliberately obtuse won’t work this time either.

Benevolus
Benevolus

Don’t mention Hillary Clinton! You know how he is obsessed with her.

Hillary is coming!
Chelsea is coming!
Vince Foster isn’t really dead and he’s coming too!

Ellynn
Ellynn

Meanwhile under polls are for strippers scenario for the Senate… (for the statics dweabs among us the tabs are accessible from a link in the story.)

https://www.axios.com/poll-democrats-2018-midterms-senate-5eb4075f-4325-46aa-bda5-699b814d9dd7.html

alpha male
alpha male

I didn’t read the tabs but wasn’t that a poll of registered voters? If so, that’s even more ominous for the donks.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Let’s throw the margin of error in there, shall we: TN: R+14, m.o.e. +/- 4.5 FL: R+3, +/- 5 ND: R+5, +/- 7.5 IN: R +2, +/- 5 NV: D+3, +/- 5.5 MO: D+2, +/- 5 OH: D+8, +/- 5 WV: D+13, +/- 5.5 MI: D+12, +/- 5 PA: D+14, +/- 4.5 MT: D+12, +/- 5 WI: D+13 to +15, +/- 4.5 AZ: D +4 to D+23, +/- 4.5 So we’ve got an R up big in an R seat (TN). We’ve got four D seats within the margin of error, with the Republican “leading” three of them. (FL, ND,… Read more »

Caroline
Caroline

Survey Monkey is rated D- in polling. So frankly I would take those results with a grain of salt.

alpha male
alpha male

Ole Chucky Schumer just going thru the motions now. He knows he is holding a dead hand. Justice Brett gonna take everyon’s health care away! Gotta luv it!

I guess he has to keep his brain dead base engaged so the checks keep coming in.

53-46 sound about right for confirming Justice Brett?

Ellynn
Ellynn

Sort of like voting over and over and over and over to repeal the ACA between 2011 and 2016, knowing it wouldn’t make it out of the senate or be vetoed. Show and tell for the base, and getting them to the voters box.

Caroline
Caroline

He’s going on a decision Kavanaugh made regarding preexisting conditions. Manchin is saying he is considering voting against Kavanaugh because it would cost 40% of his constituents in WV healthcare. So yeah, if you want to celebrate people losing their healthcare go ahead and celebrate. I certainly don’t want to hear another word about Carter Page though and people spying on him. Kavanaugh supports increasing the “surveilance state”. He’s an easy no vote even for red state dems. Can you write anything without sounding like a middle school boy? I would guess not but such is the state of the… Read more »

alpha male
alpha male

Says the boards resident fact averse troll.

Caroline
Caroline

Not fact averse but yes, alternative fact averse which is what most Republicans seem to deal in these days. Sheesh do you get your new from anywhere other than State Media or Russia Today?

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Don’t reply to him, he’ll go crying to the moderators about how the big mwean wibruls keep fact checking him.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

If you clowns would throw some facts out there to be averse to.

Seriously, you, Noway, downthemiddle, and Sally are engaged in a competition to prove who can be the dumbest incel on this board.

Caroline
Caroline

The senate voted 97-2 in support of NATO and in an attempt to make Trump quit doing the work of Putin and to defend NATO against Putin. Well, good luck with that one guys and gals. I do wonder who those 2 voting against the resolution were though.

Caroline
Caroline

Just found out Rand Paul and Mike Lee were the two who voted against the NATO resolution.