Morning Reads for Tuesday, June 12

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It’s primary day in several states. Here’s how Maine’s ranked choice voting works.

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Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Talks and discussions are always preferable to the alternative, but holy crap did Donald Trump get played. Conceding joint military exercises, floating troop withdrawal from SK, and giving Kim a glitzy photo op for the domestic audience in exchange for absolutely nothing new from NK on denuclearization or human rights.

Caroline
Caroline

Kim said even before they met that he was not going to give up his nukes. I was watching laughing. It was like some kind of carnival barker autocrat freak/reality show.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

I’m not going that far. Again, discussions are a good thing, which is something Obama has been saying for a decade now.* Even if we aren’t at the point where NK is agreeing to CVID, getting them to the table and opening up dialogue is a win for the United States. But, this does illustrate why you don’t engage principals at this stage in the relationship, especially when Trump is someone who doesn’t understand and doesn’t care to learn about the cards we have to play and our leverage points over NK. Agreeing to the meeting was a big concession… Read more »

Caroline
Caroline

Here’s my problem. You don’t just meet with someone without months and months of the state department working on it. Of course, there is no state department for the most part anymore. It’s not about rooting one way or the other. I just frankly have no faith that Trump knows what he is doing and he just proved that now with North Korea and before with the G7 meeting. Justin Trudeau deserves to be put in hell and it’s an honor to meet with Kim Jung-un? This is some kind of bizarro thinking going on here. At this point everything… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

Conceding joint military exercises?? Since when have the Dim Bedwetters cared anything about anything military? Y’all are a scream!!! LMFAO!

Noway2016
Noway2016
Benevolus
Benevolus

Ranked Choice Voting is an existential threat to conservatives?? Oh please. I will say that there are many conservatives who are hell-bent on restricting voter turnout as much as possible.

So how does all this plastic get into the ocean? Is this because cities are taking barges of garbage out into the sea and dumping there? Or is it just blowing out off of the beaches?

ScottNAtlanta
ScottNAtlanta

Actually Ranked Choice Voting is a threat to conservatives because of this dirty little secret…they are a small minority that happens to be loud enough to gain attention and get through primaries mostly without a majority of votes. RCV, had it been in place, Maine never would have had LePage. Mind you, when I say “conservative” thats generally the wingnuts that call themselves conservatives…Birchers if you like. They would be marginalized in line with their real numbers.

Benevolus
Benevolus

I know. That story is a little scary. Maine Republicans are not even pretending to want to appeal to a majority of voters, they want to win with a minority and to hell with everyone else.
Reminds me of Josh McKoon.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Bad analogy. Maine Republicans may be trying. McKoon is just deeply unpopular

xdog
xdog

In many ways, Maine is replacing California as the great laboratory of democracy. Ranked voting, successful independent candidates, electoral votes allocated by CD.

Noway2016
Noway2016

The world wakes up today a liitle bit safer because of The Great Man! Thanks for your leadership Mr. President!!

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

How so?

Enjoy the Silence
Enjoy the Silence

Yes, please do explain your rationale.

Will Durant
Will Durant

The guy posts links from InfoWars and RT. Rational ain’t got nuthin’ to do with it.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

He needs to wait for the shows to tell him how to feel about this. What time does Hannity go on the air?

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

6 hours.

Noway2016
Noway2016

And the National Inquirer broke the John Edwards scandal. Keep on shooting them messengers!!!! Cry Closet, now, Will!!! LMAO!!

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Note, it’s been 4 hours and Noway still hasn’t explained how “The Great Man” made us safer.

Will Durant
Will Durant

We used to get canned for repeating posted comments. You have posted that same video at least a half-dozen times since the inauguration. Like a good little troll when called to task your only response is name calling and goading. Yes even a blind hog finds an acorn ever now and again especially when you break from journalism and pay your sources or in Trump’s case I believe the Enquirer took his money to NOT publish the same kind of stories on him. RT reposts Reuters stories on its site but that doesn’t make them journalists either. They also were… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

Ready the surface of Rushmore, people. And put in that call to Stockholm!!

Ellynn
Ellynn

As I have examined before, any open areas on Mt. Rushmore are unstable -which may be a fitting correlation to the man in general – it unfortunately makes it too dangerous for rock cutters to attempt.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Nation’s leading documentary film maker’s new film to compare Trump to Lincoln!
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dinesh-dsouza-compare-trump-lincoln-upcoming-film-1118718

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/11/business/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-investing.html

Jared and Ivanka bought and sold as much as $147 million in real estate and other assets last year and their real estate holdings and other investments appreciated by $50 million.

Who said folks can’t make money working for the federal government?

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Tom Cotton justifying why he’s praising Trump for doing the same thing he criticized Obama for: There is a school of thought that the United States should not sit down, that the United States president should not sit down with two-bit dictators. I think there’s some validity to that school of thought with the exception once those dictators have nuclear weapons. You know, countries like Iran and Cuba and other two-bit rouge regimes don’t have nuclear weapons, yet. They can’t threaten the United States in that way. Once North Korea had nuclear weapons, once they have missiles that can deliver… Read more »

chamblee54
chamblee54

“other two-bit rouge regimes” Typos can be so much fun. Rouge regime might be a good way to describe President Tiny Hands.
In other news, up-and-coming celebrity Jordan Peterson is in town. If you want to hear his message, and don’t want to pay $60 and go downtown, here is the show he did three days ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=22&v=bL3YoOPzwZo

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Again, because I can’t get over this head-spinning reversal from Cotton, the guy who wrote a letter to the Iranians telling them not to negotiate with Obama. We should sit down with dictators when they get nuclear weapons but we shouldn’t sit down with them to prevent them from getting nuclear weapons. Critics of the Iran deal blasted Obama for giving up maximum leverage in a 156-page deal that provided long-term verifiable nuclear constraints and established an inspections regime and accountability measures. They’re now praising Trump for surrendering maximum pressure on North Korea for a 1-page document where NK doesn’t… Read more »

xdog
xdog

I think Cotton’s actions are perfectly understandable given that he’s down with Donald and he wants to be president. It’s not hypocrisy or a reversal, just another move of a man on the make.

Caroline
Caroline

When you figure out conservatives really don’t have any beliefs other than being some sort of knee jerk anti-liberal and are basically toddlers sitting in the corner with a dirty diaper flinging poo against the wall it all makes sense.

Ellynn
Ellynn

History was made today. A member of the Trump administration apologized for something!!!!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-12/u-s-s-navarro-apologizes-for-inappropriate-trudeau-comments

Benevolus
Benevolus

Dead man walking.

Ellynn
Ellynn

Rick Wilson stated the same sentiment on Sunday afternoon about Larry Kudlow… 26 hours later… Careful…

Benevolus
Benevolus

C’mon GOP, is this really who you want to be?! GOP congressional candidate: Diversity is ‘a bunch of crap and un-American’ “When we talk about women saying, well, we need special care for child care, we need this credit and that credit, say, wait a minute, when America was great, one parent alone earned more than enough money to comfortably support a family,” he continued. “,/i> https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/11/politics/republican-new-jersey-diversity/index.html We can’t even agree that women should be allowed to work if they want to? But my current working premise is that much of this, as usual, isn’t about principles, it’s just about… Read more »

bethebalance
bethebalance

“when America was great, one parent alone earned more than enough money to comfortably support a family.”
I.e. “I do not know a thing about how our economy works nowadays, or how equality actually works.”

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

I mean, if this guy wants to raise working class and middle class wages to the point where you can support a family on one income, be my guest.

Caroline
Caroline

That is who they are and it is who they are stuck being until they get beaten at the polls quite a few times. This guy is just shopping the white evangelical line. He’s not the first and will hardly be the last to spew this nonsense.

Benevolus
Benevolus

Sonny Perdue to save the day!
Trump officials kick into damage-control mode with Canada

In one sign of the change in tone, the Department of Agriculture announced Monday that Secretary Sonny Perdue would head to Canada later this week to meet with his counterpart Lawrence MacAulay.”

Would love to be a fly on the wall at that one.

Benevolus
Benevolus
Noway2016
Noway2016

Thank you, Sweet Baby Jesus! The Libs have their 2020 savior!!!!!!
http://observer.com/2018/06/alec-baldwin-donald-trump-president-2020-howard-stern-video/

alpha male
alpha male

Too soon to know how it will play out. Will know more in the next few months. I will say anyone at this point claiming that Trump got played, cannot now or evermore be taken seriously on any topic. That is just warmed over goulash from a daily kos like site. We are certainly better off in these negotiations having a foreign policy team of Pompeo, Bolton , Haley et al than the clown carnival of Ben Rhoades, Samantha freaking Power and feckless Kerry. Also laughing at anyone who thinks we have conceded joint military exercises. As these have already… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Seeing as you can’t even spell Ben Rhodes’ name correctly, maybe it’s you who shouldn’t be taken seriously? I’ve already said that discussions are a good thing and the fact the possibility for future talks is still out there is a win for the United States. But let’s not pretend like Trump got anything out of this. This is the same language on denuclearization that NK has been using for over a decade and there’s nothing indicating that their position or commitments have changed. In exchange, we’ve given Kim a massive domestic boost and given him international legitimacy (which is… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

For Caroline’s benefit, Snivler here has many alter egos on this site. The one he’s displaying now his “Skool Marm” personna! Commenting on spelling, Mewler? Really?!? Alpha schooled you! Whether it be my usual daily task or his takedown, accept that you’ve been educated by your superior(s) and be quiet.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Still haven’t answered my question, homie.

Benevolus
Benevolus

“[U.S. Forces in Korea] has received no updated guidance on execution or cessation of training exercises – to include this fall’s schedule Ulchi Freedom Guardian,” Lt. Col. Jennifer Lovett said, according to Reuters.

Just sayin’.

Benevolus
Benevolus

That was supposed to be a response to alpha.
Jeez.

Caroline
Caroline

Seriously you’re praising the people who told us Iraq had WMDs? The guys who told us the Iraqi’s would welcome us with flowers? The GOP just isn’t credible on foreign policy anymore with most Americans. It’s kind of obvious what’s going on here to most people but apparently not to you.

xdog
xdog

The only thing I know about Korea is I like kimchi so I found this article from last year informative.
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n10/bruce-cumings/a-murderous-history-of-korea

ScottNAtlanta
ScottNAtlanta

Here is a little nugget that just came out

“The BBC correspondent in Beijing and the BBC Bureau Chief for North America say that China (specifically, the government spokesman in a daily briefing) announced that the US had agreed to suspend military exercises with South Korea before President Trump announced it in his press conference. In other words, they knew in advance.”

Trump…making Russia AND China great again.

Caroline
Caroline

I wonder what part of Trump wanting to help ZTE plays in all of this.

Noway2016
Noway2016

LMMFAO!
Scared of a little “discovery”, Mueller?!?!?! Good Lord are the Libs desperate!!!! The criminal case they brought for pure PR value, that they never thought would ever be answered. Well guess what??? Whoooopppps, dey it is!!!!!!
“But, but, but, but,” he sputters, “They might be spyyyyyyyyyyyiiiiiiinnnnnggggggg! ”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/mueller-worries-russia-could-court-case-spy-probe-193320299–politics.html

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

8 hours and still no answer. You waiting for Hannity’s primetime show or something?

Noway2016
Noway2016

If you say so!!! Lololol!

Caroline
Caroline

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/12/opinion/trump-kim-summit-north-korea.html
This seems to be the consensus outside of wingnut welfare as to what happened between Kim Jung-un and Trump. Long story short we gave up a lot and Kim offered up the same thing he’s been offering everybody for 26 years.

xdog
xdog

How about this from der Leader on NK resort potential? “As an example they have great beaches. You see that whenever they’re exploding their cannons into the ocean. I said, boy, look at that view. Wouldn’t that make a great condo? And I explained, I said, you know, instead of doing that you could have the best hotels in the world right there.”

Maybe in 10 years we can expect NK farmers to follow the lead of the Scots and fly Mexican flags in protest of the Trump/Kim co-prosperity development initiative.

Caroline
Caroline

Michael Cohen expected to be arrested any day now. I guess Friday could be a blockbuster day with Manafort going to jail and Trump’s consigliere being arrested.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/12/trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-expects-to-be-arrested-any-day-now.html

Noway2016
Noway2016
Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

13 hours and still no answer.