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Noway2016
Noway2016

Better late than never. Trump just loosening up his “pardoning” hand!
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-poised-pardon-scooter-libby-dick-cheneys/story?id=54433032

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Serious reply: I don’t think Trump should pardon Manafort, Gates, Cohen, etc. Here’s why: 1. Cohen and Manafort are facing state charges in addition to federal charges. A Trump pardon doesn’t save them from the very real possibility of state prison. 2. George W. Bush commuted Scooter Libby’s sentence because he recognized, correctly, that pardoning Libby in the middle of an investigation would constitute obstruction of justice. Pardoning Manafort or Cohen won’t end the Special Counsel’s investigation. If anything, it will strengthen Mueller’s obstruction case against the President. 3. Bush’s lawyers also, correctly, pointed out that pardoning Libby meant Libby… Read more »

Benevolus
Benevolus

Prince? Is there a Raspberry Beret scandal I haven’t heard about?

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Eric Prince of Blackwater fame. Betsy DeVos’ brother. Held a meeting in the Seychelles between a Trump associate and Kirill Dmitriev, a close friend of Putin’s in January 2017. The purported purpose was to establish a back channel between the Trump team and Russian officials. Prince appears to have lied to Congress about the meeting and Mueller purportedly has a cooperating witness testifying the Seychelles meeting was preplanned to set up communication between Trump and Moscow.

The real Prince would never dream of betraying his country. RIP

Benevolus
Benevolus

He’s the kind of guy that would have a Red Corvette.

bethebalance
bethebalance

I’d also guess that the pardon power is retrospective only, and couldn’t exonerate future crimes. So I wonder if prosecutors- hearing the possibility of pardons- might hold back on some charges, and wait and see how things go. It’s possible that the President gets fired before all charges play out, so it’s like a game of timed chess. I think Mueller is sitting on so much now, with new indictments ready to be filed. But can you even pardon allegations? Could be a while before any convictions.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

The pardon power “extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.” In other words, once an offense is committed, the President can issue a pardon. It doesn’t matter if charges haven’t been brought or a conviction hasn’t been obtained. So there’s no point for Mueller to “hold back” on some indictments as Trump could just pardon Manafort, Cohen, whoever for any and all activities related to the Trump campaign or their interactions with foreign agents.… Read more »

Will Durant
Will Durant

So you condone this President pardoning a guy who leaked an active CIA agents ID to the press, lied about it to the FBI, and was convicted by a jury for obstruction of justice, etc.

In light of your recent comments on McCabe I have to paraphrase Val Kilmer’s Doc Holiday; it appears your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Yep. He didn’t leak sh-t. Deputy Secstate Richard Armitage did. Convicted of process crime. Big whoop!

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

It’s true that Armitage shared Plame’s name without knowing she was a covert CIA officer. It’s also true from evidence collected in the case that Dick Cheney ordered Libby to out Plame, who he knew was covert, and make sure she was “good and burned.”

Noway2016
Noway2016

Anddddddd…it’s official. Truly MAGA!

Ellynn
Ellynn

When Mr. Libby’s lawyers are also the same husband and wife lawyers who almost became Trump’s lawyers, things happen. It does hurt that one of those lawyers trashes Rosenstein on Fox News almost daily either.

Will Durant
Will Durant

There is no winning “strategy” to be had in Syria. But one certainty is that shooting another $100 million dollar load of cruise missiles that don’t even disable an airstrip for a full day is even worse strategy than previous administrations’ “no strategy at all”.

xdog
xdog

But blowing holes in runways is good enough for some people and a lot easier than having a coherent policy, not that the administration gives a rat about any policy. At any rate the main US fleet just sailed from Norfolk Wednesday so UK and France might get licks in first.

Here’s a look at sea forces in the area and Syrian/Russian bases.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/12/trump-bellicose-tweets-run-far-ahead-us-military-readiness-hit-syria

Will Durant
Will Durant

Speak loudly and imply you have a big stick?

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

I’m going to get hosed for this, but here goes: Obama made the right call in not attacking Syria after they crossed the “red line” re: chemical weapons. (This is a position that is shared by Netanyahu, btw, before you fully jump on me as a pearl-clutching dove). Doing so would have needlessly escalated the conflict in Syria into an all-out quagmire and placed American troops into another Middle Eastern conflict with no good exit options and no clear definition of “victory.” While it’s easy to use hindsight to criticize the chemical weapons deal Obama ultimately brokered with Putin, the… Read more »

bethebalance
bethebalance

I think the U.S. could be very well-served with an established physical presence in Syria, even if territory is formally occupied- because there is so much potential good it could do there- keep a close check on the Syrian regime, keep ISIS and others from building power, protect some Kurds, be able to interrupt links between Iran and Hezbollah, etc. I think all this outweighs costs and risks because of the great potential to – if nothing else- gain a new level of protection against terrorism. We got our toes in the water, but have an opportunity to step up… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

1) Who is going to authorize our presence in Syria? That’s not covered under the current AUMF, so you’d need Congressional approval.

2) Is Assad just going to magically consent to the United States maintaining military presence in his territory?

3) Speaking as someone with experience in the field… military occupations do more to create terrorism than they do to protect against it. The only thing we’d gain would be a third prolonged military engagement in a Middle Eastern country with no viable exit strategy.

bethebalance
bethebalance

Occupation by its nature doesn’t require consent. There’s just a void that is going to get filled one way or the other, so why not take charge, take space, and manage? It’s admittedly optimistic, but I think occupation can be done in a way that leads by its example, and while nation-building is costly, there could be collaborative support from other nations to help institute democratic self-determination within the territory.

Will Durant
Will Durant

NYT book review on Comey’s A HIGHER LOYALTY, Truth, Lies, and Leadership:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/12/books/review/james-comey-a-higher-loyalty.html

In his absorbing new book, “A Higher Loyalty,” the former F.B.I. director James B. Comey calls the Trump presidency a “forest fire” that is doing serious damage to the country’s norms and traditions.

“This president is unethical, and untethered to truth and institutional values,” Comey writes. “His leadership is transactional, ego driven and about personal loyalty.”

chamblee54
chamblee54

Last night, I received a *survey* on the phone from “victory processing”. They asked me who I was likely to vote for in the Republican primary. Then the robovoice read a biographic sketch of Clay Tippins, one of candidates. I had never heard of Mr. Tippins before this robocall. The robovoice then asked me if the Tippins talk was persuasive, and asked, one more time, who I was likely to vote for in the Republican primary. This is probably the worst robocall ever.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Clay Tippins’ wife has never even heard of Clay Tippins.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Another maggot goes down!
http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/black-teen-misses-bus-gets-shot-at-after-asking-for-directions-in-rochester-hills

Noway, am I doing this right? I’m supposed to post links about a teenager getting shot at for asking his neighbors for directions after missing the school bus, right? I should be celebrating that this kid – whose dad is currently deployed to Syria – nearly got murdered by a law-abiding, gun-wielding homeowner?

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

Taking a pot shot or two at kids hasn’t seemed to have hurt Tex McIver.

Noway2016
Noway2016
Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Oh, so I should only celebrate if the guy hits his target?

Noway2016
Noway2016

No, only if the maggot has engaged in criminal-threatening behaviir and deserves to have been shot.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Absent a conviction by a jury, how are we to know that someone is engaged in criminal behavior? It sounds like the young man in your story was under the influence of drugs/alcohol, which would negate any “intent” to commit a burglary or robbery. Intent is a necessary element of those crimes. Are you saying that we should allow gun owners the ability to determine guilt/innocence in the heat of the moment and administer the death penalty for a crime as simple as misdemeanor trespass? Again, what’s the difference between the guy in your story and the guy who shot… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

If the drug addled maggot is breaking in the home and uou have fear of your life or your family members, you aren’t gonna stop and give said maggot a drug test in the “heat of the noment” , as you whiningly utter. Your gonna shoot the piece of sh-t.

You know, you’re sounding surprisingly like Bernie Shaw who asked Dukakis if he wouldn’t shoot someone who was trying to rape Kitty.

Noway2016
Noway2016

You know, Drew, show your family members this very question. Tell your family you’d take no offensive action to protect them if someone was trying to break into y’alls house because you had no definitive knowledge of his “intent”. You are a blithering idiot.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

He’s not trying to break into anything, the guy doesn’t have the requisite intent necessary to commit the crime of burglary. You really want to kill a guy because he was high? The 14-year-old kid in my story knocked on a neighbor’s door to ask directions to school. The homeowner thought that he was getting robbed. If his shot connected and that kid died, the only person relaying the story to the police would have been the homeowner and you would have been gleefully posting about another “maggot” getting his comeuppance. So it appears to me, that your reaction to… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

Are you still talking about the school kid asking for directions. I am not. I’m talking about a person trying to break into your home. You have no knowledge of his state of mind. You just see his actions of forceably trying to enter your home. Your “viceral” reaction, hopefully, is to do everything in your power to protect your family. If part of that reaction is not, repeat not, to consider the use of deadly force to protect your family, please let your family know. Today. Now.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Deadly force should only be used when threatened with imminent risk of death or serious bodily injury. Nothing about a drugged out guy jiggling a door knob constitutes an imminent risk of death. Nothing about a kid just standing on my front porch constitutes an imminent risk of serious bodily harm. I take the responsibility of owning a firearm seriously and don’t use stories of people getting shot in lieu of Viagra. I wish you would do the same. I’m still talking about the kid asking for directions because you haven’t answered my question: was the homeowner justified in shooting… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

To make this easy on you. Pretend I’m Bernie and you’re Dukakis. Paraphrasing:
“Andrew, if a person broke into your home and was brutalizing and threatening to rape and kill Mrs. Pope, and you had access to your guns, would you use deadly force to stop him?”
Drew:________________________________________

Noway2016
Noway2016

Of course the guy wasn’t justified in shooting at the directions asking kid.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

You clearly don’t read anything that I write. Go back through my posts, you’ll get your answer.

As for the kid asking directions. Let’s say you only heard the homeowner’s version. Is the homeowner justified now? Or is it maybe important to consider all sides and all the information before passing judgement and treating a shooting like something to be happy about.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

The City of Atlanta paid a particular law firm $89,000 for Open Records legal advice in 2017. The GBI is investigating the City with respect to an ORR in 2017. The city has engaged the same law firm for assistance with respect to the GBI investigation, including $855 and $920 an hour attorneys. The good news is the firm is providing the city a 10% discount, so the city will only pay $770 and $828 an hour. The engagement of the law firm was negotiated by a city employee that may be a target of the GBI investigation. It’s co-incidental… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Eh, this isn’t that big of a deal. Highsmith is a good attorney and the folks at Holland & Knight are better situated to handle the unique issues of the GBI investigation when compared to folks working in-house for the City.

#lawyersdefendinglawyers

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

The comment wasn’t intended to disparage Mr. Highsmith. It’s my opinion that ” her own woman” Mayor Bottoms’ administration out of the gate followed one mistake with another in selecting Holland & Knight to represent the city in the GBI investigation. I’m not at all saying that selecting Holland & Knight doesn’t pass the smell test, but appearances matter. The Bottoms administration took two months (when it likely would only take only two hours) to provide former Mayor Reed’s city credit card statements to the AJC (co-incidentally just after Reed had reimbursed the city for some expenses). Then it engaged… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

So the former RNC finance chair is facing multiple allegations of sexual assault and rape. The RNC deputy finance chair paid hush money to a mistress and former Playboy model after he got her pregnant. That hush money payment was facilitated by another RNC deputy finance chair and the personal attorney to the President of the United States. The President has also used this attorney to facilitate hush money payments to a porn star with whom the President had an affair, a Playboy model with whom the President had an affair, and a housekeeper with whom the President had a… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Forgot to add, the RNC deputy finance chair facilitating all those hush money payments is currently under criminal investigation.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Regarding your Eric Prince comment, he was already living overseas to avoid another indictment of of some sorts.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Yeah, dude is real class act. Was (still is) under federal investigation for money laundering and attempting to broker military services to foreign governments. He’s also got purported ties to Chinese intelligence who helped set up an account for his mercenary operations in Lybia through the Bank of China. This in addition to the long string of civilian deaths and potential war crimes linked to Blackwater’s activities in Iraq and Afghanistan. His defense counsel in that investigation: Victoria Toensing. Toensing is Scooter Libby’s defense attorney, wife and law partner of Joe diGenova, and informal member of Trump’s legal team.

Ellynn
Ellynn

Lets not forget rince had an affair and a child with his house keeper while his wife was in the house slowly dying of cancer.

bethebalance
bethebalance

So that’s why Scooter Libby was pardoned now? Joe diGenova made the request back when he was interviewing for counsel job? Because I was looking for the why now.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Well, Balance, they say Justice Delayed is Justice Denied. Time to fix that. The most pure of motives. MAGA!

bethebalance
bethebalance

Sometimes justice is a dish best served delayed.

Noway2016
Noway2016

IG said McCabe lied 3 times under oath. Indictment follows forthwith. Lol!

Ellynn
Ellynn

To paraphrase a prior comment made this morning “Accused of process crime. Big whoop!” (MaCabe still has a in house appeal of the IG report I believe). Worse case he is convicted and the next Democratic president gives him a “scooter” pardon.

Noway2016
Noway2016

The Great Man taking a stand against bad guys in Syria! But, according to Lurch, Russia had seized all those chemical weapons? I’m shocked at that misinformation!
Yall wanna see how the Ninnies would have handled this situation? Behold…
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/01/16/awkward_john_kerry_brings_james_taylor_to_paris_sings_youve_got_a_friend/

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Is he “taking a stand against bad guys” or simply trying to shift the narrative after DOJ announced that Trump’s personal lawyer had been under criminal investigation for months and that DOJ had obtained recordings Cohen had made of all his conversations. Maybe it was the second Cohen-related report: that Mueller has evidence corroborating the Steele Dossier’s allegation that Cohen traveled to Prague in summer 2016 for a meeting with Russian officials regarding coordinating efforts against Hillary Clinton.

If my “fixer” was about to go to prison, I’d want to bomb the heck out of some brown people, too.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Like Clinton’s “aspirin factory?”

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

If Trump really cared about the people of Syria, then we would have admitted more than 11 Syrian refugees this year. I’ll believe the argument this isn’t a blatant case of “wag the dog” when I see a well-articulated strategy on what our goals are in Syria.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Drew, please tell me you wore gloves and a mask!
http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/13/uva-thomas-jefferson-statue-vandalized/

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

Remember when serial liar, and man of general low character and intelligence had tweeted these things in late August 2013 from the peanut gallery prior to the GOP fully embraced those traits:

“No, dopey, I would not go into Syria, but if I did it would be by surprise and not blurted all over the media like fools.”

“If Obama attacks Syria and innocent civilians are hurt and killed, he and the U.S. will look very bad!”

“What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval.”

Noway2016
Noway2016
Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Lol. She works for the same group that wore diapers in public to “own the Libs.” I guess the new thing is “shooting ourselves in the thigh to own the Libs.”

Noway2016
Noway2016

Lol! Predictable as a starving carp! Haters Gonna-Gotta Hate…So, Sniv, turned in your guns yet? You know, in support of Hogg.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Given your love and support for Roy Moore, I find it a little creepy that you’re so obsessed with the comings and goings of a 17-year old kid.

By the way, you’re up to $280.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Your personal contributions have already paid for over half of an abortion of a minority baby. You feeling good about yourself?