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Noway2016
Noway2016

More anti NRA bullying. Who said it? “Never let a good crisis go to waste…” Chicago mayor, I think. They.will.never.stop. The fault of those deaths a few days ago is the sick f*ck who killed them. Wanna stop literally thousand of deaths, not just 17? Ban booze. Or cars. Or cigs. Or abortion. NRA ought to use this as recruitment drive!

The Eiger
The Eiger

Noway, you are crazy, but you are my crazy and that’s why I feel the need to write this. You said that the NRA should use this as a recruitment drive. And they will. To make lots of money for their top executives and to force wishy washy republicans to do dumb stuff like 1) not ban bump stocks 2) have stricter background checks or 3) increase the age to purchase an automatic rifle of any kind. These are common sense. Many on the right refuse to even debate these topics because they are terrified of the NRA or a… Read more »

Will Durant
Will Durant

Amen

bethebalance
bethebalance

It is nice to hear matter-of-fact arguments, particularly stating the purpose of the NRA. It is not a democratic organization lobbying for policies the majority of its members would like.
I am curious, though, about the leopards. I imagine they raise some just for hunting, because I don’t imagine them as overpopulating pests…
Also, do you eat the leopard?

The Eiger
The Eiger

Legal leopard hunts are all held in wildlife refuges. They are not raised they are wild. Just in a 40,000 acre fenced in area. The outfitters that put on these hunts are in a lottery system with only a few tags given out every year. These tags are extremely expensive ($20,000 or higher in some places) and most of the money is spent on keeping the wildlife refuge up. Paying people to hunt poachers and bringing water in when there is a draught. This is the model that hunters have used for generations to help with maintaining the environment for… Read more »

bethebalance
bethebalance

Interesting, thanks for the info.
I understand the being alone in the woods feel.
And I would probably like spearfishing.
But otherwise, hunting is not for me.
I’d be a good gatherer.

The Eiger
The Eiger

Try fly fishing. It’s catch and release. With a little practice it can be very rewarding to be able to cast a fly line. There are also very few places on earth as peaceful and relaxing as being waist deep in a trout stream.

If you are a praying person it’s a great place to talk to God. I have probably prayed more standing in a trout stream than in church. My wife has signing and playing the piano. I have fly fishing and sitting in the woods.

Ellynn
Ellynn

I’m the butcher and chef part of the Hunter/Gather (which is a great cook book). Had two pheasants (roasted and stuffed with chestnuts and mushrooms with rosemary sage Vienna bread crumbs)) a white tail flank (Hungarian goulash), and venison scrapes (turned in to sausage) waiting for me when I got home for Christmas break.

My brother calls perch fishing ‘going to church’. When I go as the watcher of the coolers and baiter of the kid’s hooks, – I call it ‘reading’ since I’m in a screen tent in the shade avoiding the ‘skeeters’ with a book.

bethebalance
bethebalance

I enjoyed fishing the one time I did it. It was as much about the company as the peaceful pace. But if I catch something, Imma wanna eat it.

blakeage80
blakeage80

Here’s something that should be on every enthusiasts bucket list: Night hunting feral hogs from an ATV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAfJG1PMjbY

The Eiger
The Eiger

I’ve been on one of these before. They are fun, but I prefer to sit 100 yards away with silencer and headshot all of them. Little cleaner, quicker and more humane.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Thanks for this. As someone who has spent countless mornings in deer stands and duck blinds, I agree with nearly everything you said. I own a shotgun for hunting birds and a rifle for hunting deer. I agree that firing an AR at a shooting range is incredibly fun. I don’t do it enough to justify ever owning it and I’ve never been on a hunt and thought “man, I could really use a semi-automatic weapon right now.” I’ve never been a part of the NRA and I do not intend to ever join it. It’s important for folks to… Read more »

bethebalance
bethebalance

It’s just scary that so many ppl gobble up those lies, and think them genuine because the NRA has been successful at peddling other lies about who and what they represent.

Ellynn
Ellynn

Eiger

1.) I knew you would fit right in with my family. Only difference is they stick to the Northern half of North America for their hunting trips. Next February, check out sturgeon spearing in Wisconsin.
2.) just a warning, my views on gun regulations almost alien with yours (I want the Dickey Amendment over turned, a flag to law enforcement when large quantities of high power automatic rifles and ammo are bought by one person in a very short time frame), and I have been tagged a Libturd. I welcome you to the club.

The Eiger
The Eiger

I did not know sturgeon spearing was a thing. I’ll add it to the list. Growing up in Georgia we preferred bow fishing for carp and gar on lake Oconee.

Ellynn
Ellynn

Here are some local news outlets on the season and coverage of the ice conditions/roads. My brother’s was about 95 pounds. The catching is very quiet, the tagging is a party (the DNR stations are all at taverns) And yes they are driving heavy pickups on a very large lake. The ice was over 36 inches at my brothers shanty. Took almost 2 hours to cut and prep the hole. The last link tells you how they maintain the 200 or so miles of ice roads and bridging on Lake Winnebago.

http://www.wbay.com/video?vid=473649403

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2018/02/02/sturgeon-spearing-ice-conditions-good-clarity-lacking-lead-up-season/1066982001/

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2018/02/14/lake-winnebagos-winter-roads-offer-access-fishing-shacks-speedy-commuter-routes/1079051001/

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

While I’ve never done sturgeon spearing, I wholeheartedly endorse ice fishing.

Note, I’ve never actually caught anything while ice fishing, but drinking cold beer in a shed on a frozen lake is a great way to spend the day.

Ellynn
Ellynn

Coldest beers you will every drink.

Lea Thrace
Lea Thrace

Thanks for the reasonable response on this issue.

Admittedly I am very anti gun and believe they serve no good purpose in the world, even for hunting. (I have deeply personal reasons for this). But I also understand that others do not have the same stance. As such I have always wished that there were nuanced conversations to be had re: guns. Your comment is only the fourth time I have heard a gun owner/lover present a convincing and rational argument that convinces me to be more middle ground on guns.

Thanks for that.

The Eiger
The Eiger

Well, that is probably the nicest and greatest compliment I have ever gotten on this site. Thank you .

Our world would be a little easier to navigate if people did three things when talking about the things that they believe in. This applies to democrats, independents, republicans and myself.

1) Be consistent in your crazy
2) Be willing to be wrong
3) And listen to understand and not listen to make your next point. (I struggle with this so your comment means a lot.

Gregs
Gregs

The voice of reason and sanity has spoken.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Ban booze. Or cars. Or cigs. Or abortion. Here’s the thing, pal. We regulate alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and abortion far more stringently than we do firearms. You can buy a gun before you can buy beer or liquor. Heck, there are certain places where you can’t sell alcohol on Sunday. There are certain places where you can’t sell it at all. We recognized the danger of drunk driving an enacted laws that criminalized it. There have been massive lawsuits against the tobacco companies for knowingly peddling a dangerous product without appropriately warning folks of the risks. Car manufacturers can be… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

Pal? LOL! Welcome to GaPol’s own Special Prosecutor. May I present Andrew “Mewler”. Let’s see: “You can’t buy beer on Sunday” So what? Age restricted already. Next… “You can buy a gun before you can buy beer or liquor” You can also be subject to the draft, enter into contracts or join the armed forces, too. All privileges of being an adult. Next… “We recognized the danger of drunk driving an enacted laws that criminalized it.” There are also criminal laws against where you can discharge a firearm, too. Next… And the tobacco lawsuit was the biggest ambulance-chasing sham in… Read more »

Ellynn
Ellynn

Interesting. You answer Andrew, but avoid Eiger…

I have yet to know/meet any actual liberals who are for abolishing the 2nd Amendment. (I’m sure they exist, I just haven’t meet one.) In fact the only thing I have read in the last week about repealing and then replacing the 2nd amendment was writing by Bret Stephens.

bethebalance
bethebalance

“Abolishing the 2nd Amendment” is just another one of those lying scare tactics used by groups to drive membership, donations, and agendas. Those prone to oversimplification gobble it up, and may frequently donate. I think there may be a future generation that would largely prefer to live in a society that is as gun-free as possible. But even they wouldn’t want to abolish the 2nd Amendment. To them, it would just be about the choices they make to bear arms or not. I think virtually all Americans get the original and evolved reasons for the 2nd Amendment. It is so… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Interesting. You answer Andrew, but avoid Eiger… That’s because Eiger is smarter and more capable than me.** Nobody wants to “abolish” the 2nd Amendment, we simply want some legislation that makes good on the “well-regulated militia” portion of the text that Noway seems content to ignore. I like guns. My college roommates and I went to the shooting range all the time. I don’t want to give that up or give up my ability to hunt. But we’re the only developed country that struggles with gun violence on this scale, there are actual steps we can take to help stop… Read more »

Raleigh
Raleigh

“We regulate alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and abortion far more stringently than we do firearms.” Comparing apples to oranges is exactly why this silly argument keeps coming up. It is meaningless. If only we license gun owners like we do for cars. This is just a continuation of meaningless talking points. Let’s play the game. You should license gun owners like you do for a driver’s license. A car is a much more complex machine. Government creates roads to operate cars and rules of the road to live by. The NRA (I know many here think they are the devil) actually… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

The FBI and local law enforcement both admit they dropped the ball and this isn’t the first-time reporting has been fumbled. Which is exactly why we should be making sure that when the FBI flubs a background check, the person doesn’t have access to a firearm that can shoot more than 100 rounds per minute. Thanks for making my argument for me. Now Alcohol and tobacco! Many more people are killed by these substances than by guns. So, we should limit the number of beers you can buy to one 10 oz container of Alcohol or 10 cigarettes and have… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

The Framers were G*d Damn geniuses. Seriously. They even anticipated The Gun Grabbers before they were called such. They saw the necessity. Then they made damn sure. They didn’t stutter. The smartest, the most clearly spelled out, in plain, unambiguous English, no less, are the sweetest four words written in our entire Founding Documents. You ready? No, really, you ready? Ok…The four words are as follows: “Shall not be infringed.” That is why the NRA comes to work – Every. Single.Day.

Ellynn
Ellynn

Still avoiding Eiger…

P..S. The NRA is going to help you get a nuclear missile right? It’s am Arm.

Noway2016
Noway2016

You told Andrew to avoid Eiger, not me.

Raleigh
Raleigh

These are no more stupid arguments that the ones you made Mr Pope. You want to center on an AR-15 is only design t kill people so was a musket then so are knives, arrows, and spears. These took were designed to kill game AND enemies, people. So by you own logic since the government banned drugs it has control, now that worked well for prohibition didn’t it. “people wanting a gun need to demonstrate the mental and behavioral stability to own one.” Our current system was supposed to prevent this why do think it will work under a half… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Ok…The four words are as follows: “Shall not be infringed.” The term “shall not be infringed” is clearly limited by the term “well-regulated.” Even Antonin Scalia, in his famous Heller decision, stated that the right to keep and bear arms under the Second Amendment “is not unlimited.” Even the most conservative justices acknowledge that there are practical limits to the extent of 2nd Amendment freedoms and it is universally accepted that Congress and the states have the constitutional authority to regulate the possession and use of firearms. In the wake of Heller bans on semi-automatic weapons and high-capacity magazines have… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

You want to center on an AR-15 is only design t kill people so was a musket then so are knives, arrows, and spears. These took were designed to kill game AND enemies, people. If you need an AR-15 to kill game then you suck at hunting, are trying to compensate for some gnawing sense of inadequacy, or a combination of both. You should probably pick up another hobby. Maybe crochet, stamp collecting, or learning how to spell. So by you own logic since the government banned drugs it has control, now that worked well for prohibition didn’t it. Or… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

Nope. It is an individual right. Sorry. Libs have clung, sputteringly, to the “militia” term as only meaning a group. That was shot down. Sorry. All of this Lib full court press, after each of these instances, fills NRA coffers like the misguided crusade against Chick Filet a few years back. Yall have regulated the 2nd Amendment as much as the folks are going to allow. Any pol who advocates more will likely be defeated.

Ellynn
Ellynn

So stop avoiding Eiger post to you from your first comment of the day. You answered Andrews comments , not Eigers.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Ok. A misread by me. I simply disagree with Eiger’s points. I want the age lowered for handguns. As well as the drinking age to 18, too. Adult in all aspects.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Nope. It is an individual right.

Never said it wasn’t. For the 100th time, learn to read critically.

Libs have clung, sputteringly, to the “militia” term as only meaning a group.

I’ve referenced the phrase “well-regulated” multiple times and even backed myself up with Scalia. Again, learn to read critically.

I see why Russia thought some Americans were gullible enough to fall for their disinformation campaign. Rubes like you abound.

bethebalance
bethebalance

I didn’t think it was worth arguing Constitutional law with the straw man waiting to confiscate your guns at the bottom of the alleged slippery slope. The straw man doesn’t care about the finer points of the Constitution, and only screams about how slippery the slope is, as he willingly walks into the water, ignoring the fact that the “slope” is actually a well-regulated staircase that has a warning sign up top stating that no men, straw or otherwise, are allowed to enter the water.

bethebalance
bethebalance

Bullying the NRA? Where is your fainting couch?
The NRA is a group with a bad gun policy, so in their own lingo, the best way to address that is with good gun policy. Are you saying they don’t have the skin for public policy debate and politics?

Dannie C. Kemp
Dannie C. Kemp

Ah-Hem, that’s “gun safety”, not gun control. ~Lawmakers.
Bogus inspections: Nothing New Under the Sun. Crystal River Duke Plant. Inspectors would x-ray a good weld and use the same x-ray repeatedly for inspections of different welds.
The outrage of youth: If my generations is any indication, they will all likely end up working for the NRA.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

Whether we are Republican or Democrat, we must now focus on strengthening Background Checks! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 21, 2018 “President Donald Trump’s newly unveiled budget would cut millions of dollars from the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which gun dealers use to verify if someone is banned from buying a gun before selling it to them. Buried on Page 719 of his fiscal year 2019 budget, released Monday, the president calls for cuts to the National Criminal Records History Improvement Program and the NICS Act Record Improvement Program. Both provide federal grants to states to help… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Marco Rubio said the Orlando shooting was the reason he decided to run for re-election to the Senate. He hasn’t done jack on guns since then. It’s easy to feign concern and then go right back to business as usual, that’s what we’ve been doing for decades now.

Benevolus
Benevolus

The Dillard House? Puh-leaze. Any restaurant that accommodates busloads is unlikely to be near the top of any legit good food list.
Now take Bell’s in Toccoa….. mmmmm. Or Whistle Stop in Juliette! Excellent stuff. Gerald’s on Tybee for the best fried shrimp.

Lea Thrace
Lea Thrace

Havent been to any of the ones you mention. But The Dillard House is TRULY a purveyor of top notch good food. I have a yearly retreat there that I have been going to for 10 years. The food has remained consistently fantastic. I think its an honor that though debatable (from the perspective of there being so many good restaurants in GA) is well deserved.

Ellynn
Ellynn

Love me a brisket sub or a Tybee Po’boy

http://tybeebbq.com/

Noway2016
Noway2016

Dillard House has lived on its reputation for years. It did used to be better. To me, nothing special any more. And the prices are way over the top. Piccadilly, anyone?

Ellynn
Ellynn

“Upgrading the teachers’ unions into armed paramilitaries will add an exciting frisson to contract negotiations.” David Frum 2/22/2018

As the child of a teacher, the picture in my mind of my then mid 40 year old mom dressed up as a paramilitary anything surround by little second graders as she reads them ‘How to Eat Fried Worms” leads me to snicker uncontrollably.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

If teachers are already having to pay for their own school supplies, are they going to have to pay for their own handgun and ammunition, too? Where are chronically underfunded schools going to get the budget for arming teachers and training them in marksmanship?

Ellynn
Ellynn

Stop preaching to the choir and enjoy the sarcasm.

ScottNAtlanta
ScottNAtlanta

Again…Rasmussen is not a reliable pollster because they only use landlines. They are consistently 5 to 10 points to the right of any other poll…but if you want to delude yourself…go right ahead. When the RCP avg is better than Obama’s at the same time…post that…if it ever happens

Ellynn
Ellynn

Proving once again, President Trump lives in a different world then us…

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/375102-trump-raises-concerns-about-impact-of-violent-movies-says-we-may-have

FYI The Motion Picture Association of America and Entertainment Software Rating Board both rate and classify content based on its suitability for specific audiences.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

He knows how much money the NRA gave his campaign, he knows how much the RCCC and RSCC need NRA dollars for the midterms, he knows how coming out against the NRA will play with a base he desperately needs to turn out in November. LaPierre and Loesch were on the offensive today at CPAC. The Freedom Caucus is already conditioning any move on bump stocks or magazines on approval of concealed carry reciprocity (something they know blue states will never go for). Trump is trying to tiptoe the line of looking like he’s doing something without actually doing something.… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

A radiologist at a trauma center who was on call last week when the shooting took place describes what an AR-15 round does to the human body. It’s graphic and it’s uncomfortable, but I think it’s something important for everyone to read… especially in light of Eiger’s post earlier: https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/553937/?__twitter_impression=true Routine handgun injuries leave entry and exit wounds and linear tracks through the victim’s body that are roughly the size of the bullet. If the bullet does not directly hit something crucial like the heart or the aorta, and they do not bleed to death before being transported to our… Read more »

Ellynn
Ellynn

Meanwhile in Men behaving badly…

https://apnews.com/2476fc3df7ee4271b13ebb11acf7914e

Ellynn
Ellynn

Tax cuts at work… if you have a 401(k). One of these companies just raised one of my class A prescriptions. So instead of $40, it’s now $ 75 a month. (with out insurance it’s $642.)

https://www.axios.com/pharma-share-buyback-tax-reform-40a30b93-6149-4c67-bd65-cd05ee814215.html

Will Durant
Will Durant

NRA Leader Warns Conservatives Of ‘Socialist Wave’ In Wake Of Shooting Just over a week after 17 people were killed at Parkland, Fla., high school, National Rifle Association executive vice president and CEO Wayne LaPierre gave a fiery, defiant speech at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC, on Thursday at the National Harbor in Maryland. LaPierre defended Second Amendment rights and warned of a “socialist agenda” intended to strip firearms away from law-abiding citizens… LaPierre, who was not listed on CPAC’s official schedule, accused Democrats of making gun control a political issue in order to achieve their ultimate… Read more »

Ellynn
Ellynn

Men Behaving Badly, Governor In Handcuff Addition. (I’m guessing he’s going to be too busy to be at the National Governors Association meeting in DC this weekend)

http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article201629499.html

Noway2016
Noway2016

Bottom line in all of this: The NRA didn’t kill anyone. The crazy kid did! Oh hell forgot ’bout him. Law enforcement was more responsible for allowing the incident to play itself out. Forget “strawmen” and continuing bellowing at the top of your lungs at the “boogieman.” That be the NRA. And thankfully, they’ll try and defeat anyone who over reaches on gun control.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Can we all agree that the guy who spent a whole day rending garments and gnashing teeth because people are being mean to one of the country’s wealthiest and most influential lobbying groups has lost all standing to call anyone a snowflake?

Noway2016
Noway2016

Keep on whining, Mewler! Remember: Never let a crisis go to waste. Them NRA coffers are busting at the seams!!!! Please continue! Lol!

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Mewler?

I’m not sure I understand the reference. Is it a cat thing? Some show from the 70s or 80s I wasn’t alive for?

Noway2016
Noway2016

Mewling, whining! Sounds damn similar to the pronunciation of your fav special prosecutor, too!

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

You know it’s pronounced MULL-err not MEWL-her? Right? If you’re going to try and insult someone do a modicum of research first.

downthemiddle
downthemiddle

Can anyone find a gun crime committed by an NRA member? There has to be at least one! If we got everyone to join the NRA then it seems to me that gun violence would HAVE TO GO DOWN. Almost all murders (80%) are committed by democrats in cities controlled by democrats. Looks to me like if we could ban guns from DEMOCRATS then we would all be safer!

Noway2016
Noway2016

Never looked at it that way. He’s got a point. Hey, Mewler, try and find us some horrid crime committed by an NRA member. With your hatred of them fueling your effort surely you’ll unearth a speeding ticket somewhere!

MikeSilver
MikeSilver

There are. BUT …… the most law abiding demographic is NRA Membership. Why? Because to own and purchase a gun, you have to a “clean” background. If you didn’t own a gun, why belong to any gun organization?

Law Enforcement Officers have a higher rate than the average, some LEO’s have criminal records that would prohibit them from obtaining a gun. The AJC did a story about this several years ago (well done by the way).

downthemiddle
downthemiddle

Can anyone find a gun crime committed by an NRA member? There has to be at least one! If we got everyone to join the NRA then it seems to me that gun violence would HAVE TO GO DOWN.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

You already said that, Olev.

downthemiddle
downthemiddle

Well I’ll be…Congresswoman: Shooters end up being democrats!! She is right! And brave enough to say it. Maybe some lazy reporter will get off his rear end and verify this. And from New York too. A lifelong member….and attractive to boot! I doubt she was wearing a pussy hat a few months ago! A female that could actually get a date and knows which bathroom to use! https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/22/claudia-tenney-republican-mass-shooters-democrats-421658

The Eiger
The Eiger

This is why we can’t have nice things.

Lea Thrace
Lea Thrace

Yep.

bethebalance
bethebalance

Is it possible that Russian trolls have branched out to blogs?

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Noway has been around for a while. I guess the Kremlin figured he needed backup.

bethebalance
bethebalance

Sure, Noway’s done a Depolrable job, but somebody had to do it.
Dollars to donuts, though, that “downthemiddle” is the real deal and won’t prove his real identity by disclosing his Social Security #.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

I’m operating on the assumption that Noway and downthemiddle are the same people. After all, I’ve never seen them in the same place.

bethebalance
bethebalance

Now that you mention it, “Noway” is a really odd name. Is it some play on words I can’t see? Because it otherwise implies there is no way forward? Or a path to Nowhere? All that belies Noway’s stated partisan preferences.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Neever seen the poster before yesterday. And all of you know my alter ego. That be The great pumpkin. I’ll dust him off when I talk about Hillary getting indicted.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Ok…The story on the name Noway. I was seeing this site one day and saw a Lib post that I disagreed with and actually voice out loud, “No way!!” I then created that identity for the PP site and the rest is history…

Noway2016
Noway2016

Drew, what might take you back to DC? You can still fight from there, ya know!