February 22, 2018 6:18 AM HomeMorning ReadsMorning Reads – Thursday, February 22, 2018 Morning Reads – Thursday, February 22, 2018 By Jessica Szilagyi Morning Reads 82 Comments Peaches Altering HOPE eligibility makes a move closer in the House Agency seeking fines for Plant Vogtle. Entertainment industry brings $9.5 million to Georgia Gun control rallies at the Capitol Wednesday “Thousands in Georgia…leaving millions in college money on the table” The best small-town restaurant in Georgia is… Jimmy Carter CNN highlights from Florida lawmaker town hall Requests for Rubio to deny NRA donations HuffPo and bulletproof backpacks Border wall work begins Presidential approval rating bumps up, slightly more than Obama at same time “The myth of what’s driving the opioid crisis.” “There will never be another Billy Graham” and here’s why…. Sweet Tea Georgia woman allegedly burns down home after losing it in a divorce Somewhere, they want more people drugged with antidepressants Venezuelans lost an average of 24 lbs do to hunger hits NYU’s racially insensitive meal So it actually does work like the movies… “The story of a weird world I was warned never to tell.” Share this:TwitterFacebookTumblrRedditEmailPrint Related About Author jszilagyi5 82 Comments Noway2016 More anti NRA bullying. Who said it? “Never let a good crisis go to waste…” Chicago mayor, I think. They.will.never.stop. The fault of those deaths a few days ago is the sick f*ck who killed them. Wanna stop literally thousand of deaths, not just 17? Ban booze. Or cars. Or cigs. Or abortion. NRA ought to use this as recruitment drive! February 22, 2018 7:36 AM Log in to Reply The Eiger Noway, you are crazy, but you are my crazy and that’s why I feel the need to write this. You said that the NRA should use this as a recruitment drive. And they will. To make lots of money for their top executives and to force wishy washy republicans to do dumb stuff like 1) not ban bump stocks 2) have stricter background checks or 3) increase the age to purchase an automatic rifle of any kind. These are common sense. Many on the right refuse to even debate these topics because they are terrified of the NRA or a sack of crap. Or both. Now, let me tell you a little about me. I personally own a model 300 Ultra Mag Remington 700. This gun has been to Africa three times and on hundreds of hunts in the USA. I have used it to kill deer over 400 yards a leopard and a dozen other animals in Africa. Let’s just say, I like to hunt. I have been in the woods since I was three years old hunting with my father. In another thread I chastised someone because I’m the type of person that people use to call white trash. Now I prefer an educated southern redneck. The Remington Model 700 rifle is a mans rifle and I baby it. I will fight anyone that ever talks about taking it away from me. I own 7 other guns including handguns, shotguns and other rifles. All I want to keep and will fight to keep. I also own 9th rifle. A Daniel Defense AR-15 in 5.56. This weapon is so exciting to shoot. Taking it to the range and shooting hundreds of rounds through it is fun. It serves zeros purpose on this planet other than putting as much lead now range as quickly and accurately as possible. It is made to kill. Not animals. I only need one shot for that. It is made to kill people. On a battlefield or by a deranged mentally ill person in a school. It has no other purpose. It’s terrible for home defense. It shoots through walls and keeps going. That endangers my child at the end of the hall if I have to use it. That is what my glock it for. It cannot kill a deer or a leopard (efficiently) because the caliber is too small. That’s what the Remington 700 is for. It’s worthless for anything that can fly. That’s what my Berretta 391 is for. I love that gun too. It’s been to Argentina twice killing doves. 2,500 of them in one day. Never jammed. Berretta makes quality guns. (Before you liberals jump on me for that google dove hunting in Argentina and you will see that the dove is not natural down there and has become an overpopulated pest.) All that to say. I love me some guns and hunting. I have probably spent more time in a deer stand, trout stream, or dove field than anyone you have ever met. Honestly, I have never been and will never be a member of the NRA. My father and brother who own hundreds of guns (that is not a stretch I told you we are rednecks) have both never and will never be members of the NRA. The NRA is not here to protect the second amendment. It is a lobbying company that uses it’s influence to make money. Bump stocks should be banned, stricter back ground checks should be implemented immediately and the age to purchase an automatic rifle (not bolt action, shotgun or handgun) should be increased. February 22, 2018 8:49 AM Log in to Reply Will Durant Amen February 22, 2018 8:55 AM Log in to Reply bethebalance It is nice to hear matter-of-fact arguments, particularly stating the purpose of the NRA. It is not a democratic organization lobbying for policies the majority of its members would like. I am curious, though, about the leopards. I imagine they raise some just for hunting, because I don’t imagine them as overpopulating pests… Also, do you eat the leopard? February 22, 2018 10:07 AM Log in to Reply The Eiger Legal leopard hunts are all held in wildlife refuges. They are not raised they are wild. Just in a 40,000 acre fenced in area. The outfitters that put on these hunts are in a lottery system with only a few tags given out every year. These tags are extremely expensive ($20,000 or higher in some places) and most of the money is spent on keeping the wildlife refuge up. Paying people to hunt poachers and bringing water in when there is a draught. This is the model that hunters have used for generations to help with maintaining the environment for the animals. For example, every time I buy a duck stamp or trout stamp (this allows me to fish for trout and shoot ducks) a portion of that money is spent on keeping rivers clean and wetlands available for ducks in their flyways. The leopard is the same thing just on a much larger and expensive scale. You would have to kill quite a few Gemsboks to make up what a leopard brings in for the wildlife refuge. By doing it this way you allow hunters to hunt, you control the number of animals taken so that they are not over hunted and you help maintain the wildlife refuge for all of the animals. I know this isn’t for everyone and I know that there are back actors out there that will not follow the rules 100 percent of the time. But it works. I promise you that without this model the African leopard and lion would be on the verge of extinction. You can eat leopard. It is not very good. To be honest, the best thing you will ever eat from the wild are the back straps out of a white tail deer. Or a brown trout. While I’m at it I want to clarify something. This is hunting, not shooting or killing. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve come up empty. You don’t simply walk into the woods and kill Bambi’s dad. Most of the time I don’t even have my rifle loaded. I’m just there to escape from the world and sit in the woods alone. It’s hard to describe to most people. February 22, 2018 10:32 AM Log in to Reply bethebalance Interesting, thanks for the info. I understand the being alone in the woods feel. And I would probably like spearfishing. But otherwise, hunting is not for me. I’d be a good gatherer. February 22, 2018 11:23 AM The Eiger Try fly fishing. It’s catch and release. With a little practice it can be very rewarding to be able to cast a fly line. There are also very few places on earth as peaceful and relaxing as being waist deep in a trout stream. If you are a praying person it’s a great place to talk to God. I have probably prayed more standing in a trout stream than in church. My wife has signing and playing the piano. I have fly fishing and sitting in the woods. February 22, 2018 11:32 AM Ellynn I’m the butcher and chef part of the Hunter/Gather (which is a great cook book). Had two pheasants (roasted and stuffed with chestnuts and mushrooms with rosemary sage Vienna bread crumbs)) a white tail flank (Hungarian goulash), and venison scrapes (turned in to sausage) waiting for me when I got home for Christmas break. My brother calls perch fishing ‘going to church’. When I go as the watcher of the coolers and baiter of the kid’s hooks, – I call it ‘reading’ since I’m in a screen tent in the shade avoiding the ‘skeeters’ with a book. February 22, 2018 12:35 PM bethebalance I enjoyed fishing the one time I did it. It was as much about the company as the peaceful pace. But if I catch something, Imma wanna eat it. February 22, 2018 1:22 PM blakeage80 Here’s something that should be on every enthusiasts bucket list: Night hunting feral hogs from an ATV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAfJG1PMjbY February 22, 2018 10:10 AM Log in to Reply The Eiger I’ve been on one of these before. They are fun, but I prefer to sit 100 yards away with silencer and headshot all of them. Little cleaner, quicker and more humane. February 22, 2018 10:43 AM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope Thanks for this. As someone who has spent countless mornings in deer stands and duck blinds, I agree with nearly everything you said. I own a shotgun for hunting birds and a rifle for hunting deer. I agree that firing an AR at a shooting range is incredibly fun. I don’t do it enough to justify ever owning it and I’ve never been on a hunt and thought “man, I could really use a semi-automatic weapon right now.” I’ve never been a part of the NRA and I do not intend to ever join it. It’s important for folks to remember that, at this point in its history, the NRA exists to benefit gun manufacturers and sellers, not recreational hunters. That’s why they’re the ones peddling the idea of arming school teachers. More guns in schools means more guns being sold. It means local and state government contracts for bulk gun purchases. It means money for the folks at Glock, Smith & Wesson, Beretta, etc. They don’t want improved background checks, because that means fewer people will be able to buy guns. They don’t want new safety requirements because that means the manufacturers will have to scrap their current stock and make new guns. Noway said that the NRA should use this as a recruitment drive, but the reality is that the NRA has long been using mass shootings like these as a way to promote the notion that more guns = less crime. Last night was a perfect example. The NRA’s representative said that having a gun made women safer. Wayne LaPierre has said “the one thing a violent rapist deserves to face is a good woman with a gun.” These statements simply aren’t true. Women in the U.S. account for 84% of all firearm deaths in the developed world despite being just 1/3 of the developed world’s female population. Women have higher rates of suicide, homicide, and accidental firearm deaths in states where guns with lax gun control laws. Women are twice as likely to be killed by a gun used by their husband or boyfriend than they are to be murdered by a stranger using a gun, knife, or any other means. Gun threats in the home against women are more common in the United States than self-defense uses of gun by women. Women were five times more likely to be killed in a domestic violence incident if they had a gun in their home. There are zero studies showing that the risk of burglary, robbery, home invasion, or spousal abuse against women is decreased by gun ownership. The NRA perpetuated a lie last night. A lie they’ve been peddling for years. That guns will magically make you safe and will morph you into John Wayne at the drop of a hat. It simply isn’t true and that lie hurts thousands of women in this country and really only benefits the folks manufacturing handguns, shotguns, and rifles. February 22, 2018 10:12 AM Log in to Reply bethebalance It’s just scary that so many ppl gobble up those lies, and think them genuine because the NRA has been successful at peddling other lies about who and what they represent. February 22, 2018 10:19 AM Log in to Reply Ellynn Eiger 1.) I knew you would fit right in with my family. Only difference is they stick to the Northern half of North America for their hunting trips. Next February, check out sturgeon spearing in Wisconsin. 2.) just a warning, my views on gun regulations almost alien with yours (I want the Dickey Amendment over turned, a flag to law enforcement when large quantities of high power automatic rifles and ammo are bought by one person in a very short time frame), and I have been tagged a Libturd. I welcome you to the club. February 22, 2018 10:16 AM Log in to Reply The Eiger I did not know sturgeon spearing was a thing. I’ll add it to the list. Growing up in Georgia we preferred bow fishing for carp and gar on lake Oconee. February 22, 2018 10:46 AM Log in to Reply Ellynn Here are some local news outlets on the season and coverage of the ice conditions/roads. My brother’s was about 95 pounds. The catching is very quiet, the tagging is a party (the DNR stations are all at taverns) And yes they are driving heavy pickups on a very large lake. The ice was over 36 inches at my brothers shanty. Took almost 2 hours to cut and prep the hole. The last link tells you how they maintain the 200 or so miles of ice roads and bridging on Lake Winnebago. http://www.wbay.com/video?vid=473649403 https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2018/02/02/sturgeon-spearing-ice-conditions-good-clarity-lacking-lead-up-season/1066982001/ https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2018/02/14/lake-winnebagos-winter-roads-offer-access-fishing-shacks-speedy-commuter-routes/1079051001/ February 22, 2018 11:25 AM Andrew C. Pope While I’ve never done sturgeon spearing, I wholeheartedly endorse ice fishing. Note, I’ve never actually caught anything while ice fishing, but drinking cold beer in a shed on a frozen lake is a great way to spend the day. February 22, 2018 11:29 AM Ellynn Coldest beers you will every drink. February 22, 2018 11:39 AM Lea Thrace Thanks for the reasonable response on this issue. Admittedly I am very anti gun and believe they serve no good purpose in the world, even for hunting. (I have deeply personal reasons for this). But I also understand that others do not have the same stance. As such I have always wished that there were nuanced conversations to be had re: guns. Your comment is only the fourth time I have heard a gun owner/lover present a convincing and rational argument that convinces me to be more middle ground on guns. Thanks for that. February 22, 2018 11:14 AM Log in to Reply The Eiger Well, that is probably the nicest and greatest compliment I have ever gotten on this site. Thank you . Our world would be a little easier to navigate if people did three things when talking about the things that they believe in. This applies to democrats, independents, republicans and myself. 1) Be consistent in your crazy 2) Be willing to be wrong 3) And listen to understand and not listen to make your next point. (I struggle with this so your comment means a lot. February 22, 2018 11:26 AM Log in to Reply Gregs The voice of reason and sanity has spoken. February 22, 2018 5:59 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope Ban booze. Or cars. Or cigs. Or abortion. Here’s the thing, pal. We regulate alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and abortion far more stringently than we do firearms. You can buy a gun before you can buy beer or liquor. Heck, there are certain places where you can’t sell alcohol on Sunday. There are certain places where you can’t sell it at all. We recognized the danger of drunk driving an enacted laws that criminalized it. There have been massive lawsuits against the tobacco companies for knowingly peddling a dangerous product without appropriately warning folks of the risks. Car manufacturers can be sued for faulty airbags or seat belts or exploding gas tanks. You can’t sue gun manufacturers for the inherent danger of their products. We have speed limits, seat belt laws, air bag requirements, and government testing to make sure cars are safe. We require folks wishing to operate a motor vehicle actually demonstrate their proficiency before we give them a license. We don’t do that with guns. As for abortion, this isn’t the place to have that discussion, but I’ll state with absolute conviction that it is infinitely harder to attain an abortion in the United States than it is to procure an AR-15. February 22, 2018 9:55 AM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Pal? LOL! Welcome to GaPol’s own Special Prosecutor. May I present Andrew “Mewler”. Let’s see: “You can’t buy beer on Sunday” So what? Age restricted already. Next… “You can buy a gun before you can buy beer or liquor” You can also be subject to the draft, enter into contracts or join the armed forces, too. All privileges of being an adult. Next… “We recognized the danger of drunk driving an enacted laws that criminalized it.” There are also criminal laws against where you can discharge a firearm, too. Next… And the tobacco lawsuit was the biggest ambulance-chasing sham in the history of litigation. If you can read, the cig warning was on the labels decades before the cig shakedown. Being stupid ain’t a crime. Next… Driving a car/operating a motor vehicle isn’t part of the Bill of Rights. (Ain’t even close to an equivalency) Next… (Just as aside, which Constitutionally Guaranteed Right is in your side coming for next month? Yall already chipped away at Religion and Illegal Searches and Seizures.) And murder, with the exception of knowingly sanctioning the scraping of a baby from its mother’s womb, is already a crime. 17 murders were committed at that school. Of course you won’t talk about abortion. Ain’t no justification in the premeditated murder of your baby in what amounts to , in the overwhelmingly vast majority of cases , an inconvenience. The NRA is the ONLY thing that stands between the gun-seizing Libs abolishing the 2nd Amendment. Frustrating to the Dems, I know. I joined them the morning after Colombine. Lifetime member. Yall think I can join again? Maybe I’ll call and see… So, you all try as hard as you can to politicize a senseless, mentally batsh*t crazy act. Remember…Never let a good crisis go to waste… Gotta try and get and restrict them guns, Constitution be danged. February 22, 2018 12:04 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn Interesting. You answer Andrew, but avoid Eiger… I have yet to know/meet any actual liberals who are for abolishing the 2nd Amendment. (I’m sure they exist, I just haven’t meet one.) In fact the only thing I have read in the last week about repealing and then replacing the 2nd amendment was writing by Bret Stephens. February 22, 2018 12:56 PM Log in to Reply bethebalance “Abolishing the 2nd Amendment” is just another one of those lying scare tactics used by groups to drive membership, donations, and agendas. Those prone to oversimplification gobble it up, and may frequently donate. I think there may be a future generation that would largely prefer to live in a society that is as gun-free as possible. But even they wouldn’t want to abolish the 2nd Amendment. To them, it would just be about the choices they make to bear arms or not. I think virtually all Americans get the original and evolved reasons for the 2nd Amendment. It is so strange and imo un-American (can we say treasonous? I heard someone say treasonous..) to say and imply that other Americans are so un-American that they want to abolish the 2nd Amendment. It’s also paranoid. It’s like saying that someone who wants more organic produce at their grocery store is gonna come empty out your cupboards. February 22, 2018 2:29 PM Andrew C. Pope Interesting. You answer Andrew, but avoid Eiger… That’s because Eiger is smarter and more capable than me.** Nobody wants to “abolish” the 2nd Amendment, we simply want some legislation that makes good on the “well-regulated militia” portion of the text that Noway seems content to ignore. I like guns. My college roommates and I went to the shooting range all the time. I don’t want to give that up or give up my ability to hunt. But we’re the only developed country that struggles with gun violence on this scale, there are actual steps we can take to help stop nonsense like this from happening. I’ve got 2 kids on the way and I don’t want to be sending them off to school 4 or 5 years from now with kevlar in their backpacks. As Eiger acknowledges, there are compromises that even Republicans can get on board with. Just as aside, which Constitutionally Guaranteed Right is in your side coming for next month? I talked with my friends in the “Vast Jewish Conspiracy” and we aren’t done trying to outlaw Christianity yet. The War on Easter is coming, my friend. Of course you won’t talk about abortion That’s because I’m capable of debating gun control and don’t need to change the subject as a means of stalling for time until Sean Hannity tells me what to say. **I don’t really mean that. But I’m “homesick” for DC and figure if I butter him up enough he’ll hook me up with a gig as the guy who critiques Paul Ryan’s speeches. February 22, 2018 2:29 PM Raleigh “We regulate alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and abortion far more stringently than we do firearms.” Comparing apples to oranges is exactly why this silly argument keeps coming up. It is meaningless. If only we license gun owners like we do for cars. This is just a continuation of meaningless talking points. Let’s play the game. You should license gun owners like you do for a driver’s license. A car is a much more complex machine. Government creates roads to operate cars and rules of the road to live by. The NRA (I know many here think they are the devil) actually sponsors beginner through expert classes on firearms. Take ONE! I taught my children how to shoot and gun safety myself. I and my children have never had an accident or hurt anyone so I believe I was successful. Anyone care to take my course? Here it is, Rule 1. It does not matter if the gun is loaded or unloaded NEVER, NEVER, one more, NEVER point a gun and anything you do not intended to destroy or KILL. Rule 2. When in doubt refer to Rule 1. This makes it easier for law enforcement too. You point a gun at them they kill you, problem solved. Now let’s sue car manufactures the same way it is being proposed for gun manufactures. Recently Remington was sued for a safety defect for the safety switch on the model 700 bolt action rifle. I don’t know what the outcome was but they were sued. So, let sue car manufacturers because some nut such as the idiot in Virginia used their make of vehicle to hurt innocent people. If we would do this, it will take care of our traffic problems because no one will be able to afford to build little alone buy a car. After all that is the object of this proposal which is to put the manufactures out of business and not to protect innocent lives. Ah all those roads and no traffic, just think of it… Now Alcohol and tobacco! Many more people are killed by these substances than by guns. So, we should limit the number of beers you can buy to one 10 oz container of Alcohol or 10 cigarettes and have a 3 day waiting period and require you get a license to drink or smoke along with the imposed age limit of 21. No high capacity 30 oz cans or 30 cigarettes should ever be sold People who are underage are still buying cigarettes, alcohol and drugs. Drugs which has NO government control what so ever. People still drive cars without a license. Maybe we can make it illegal to buy anything larger that a smart car after all the big cars and trucks can run over lots more people. Seeing Trump get in a Smart Car Presidential Limo would be entertaining but let’s not digress. The background check system would work IF it was followed. The FBI and local law enforcement both admit they dropped the ball and this isn’t the first-time reporting has been fumbled. Why? We already know one thing to do that will help. Make sure someone like these shooters get reported then keep them from buying and possessing guns. That is the system we have and it might work if followed. NO LAW will work if not followed. February 22, 2018 1:19 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope The FBI and local law enforcement both admit they dropped the ball and this isn’t the first-time reporting has been fumbled. Which is exactly why we should be making sure that when the FBI flubs a background check, the person doesn’t have access to a firearm that can shoot more than 100 rounds per minute. Thanks for making my argument for me. Now Alcohol and tobacco! Many more people are killed by these substances than by guns. So, we should limit the number of beers you can buy to one 10 oz container of Alcohol or 10 cigarettes and have a 3 day waiting period and require you get a license to drink or smoke along with the imposed age limit of 21. This is a stupid argument for a number of reasons. First, as you acknowledge, it’s apples and oranges. Beer and cigarettes weren’t developed for the sole purpose of killing other human beings. The AR-15 was. Also, we have placed regulations on alcohol and tobacco because we recognize the danger in those products. Your argument is logically flawed because you’re ignoring the fact that we already place restrictions on consumption and procurement of these things. Drugs which has NO government control what so ever. The government has literally banned them. By your logic a nationwide ban on guns would not be an element of government control. Proofread! You should license gun owners like you do for a driver’s license. A car is a much more complex machine. Fully agree. Anyone wanting to buy a gun needs a license and everyone applying for a license needs to demonstrate the requisite knowledge of gun safety and the ability to safely operate a firearm. I’d go one step further and copy the Israelis example… people wanting a gun need to demonstrate the mental and behavioral stability to own one. Seeing Trump get in a Smart Car Presidential Limo would be entertaining but let’s not digress. Fatty couldn’t fit in a Smart Car if his life depended on it. February 22, 2018 2:12 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 The Framers were G*d Damn geniuses. Seriously. They even anticipated The Gun Grabbers before they were called such. They saw the necessity. Then they made damn sure. They didn’t stutter. The smartest, the most clearly spelled out, in plain, unambiguous English, no less, are the sweetest four words written in our entire Founding Documents. You ready? No, really, you ready? Ok…The four words are as follows: “Shall not be infringed.” That is why the NRA comes to work – Every. Single.Day. February 22, 2018 3:35 PM Ellynn Still avoiding Eiger… P..S. The NRA is going to help you get a nuclear missile right? It’s am Arm. February 22, 2018 3:41 PM Noway2016 You told Andrew to avoid Eiger, not me. February 22, 2018 3:47 PM Raleigh These are no more stupid arguments that the ones you made Mr Pope. You want to center on an AR-15 is only design t kill people so was a musket then so are knives, arrows, and spears. These took were designed to kill game AND enemies, people. So by you own logic since the government banned drugs it has control, now that worked well for prohibition didn’t it. “people wanting a gun need to demonstrate the mental and behavioral stability to own one.” Our current system was supposed to prevent this why do think it will work under a half brained licensing scheme. This is why it didn’t work. The FBI didn’t just flub that background check they didn’t even investigate it as they admitted. This is not the first time so don’t they also bear responsibility? Yes they do except to the people who believe government is the answer to all things. I would ask 6 million Jews about that one if they were still around to answer. Enforce the laws you have on the books first. then we can see what need to be improved. February 22, 2018 3:51 PM Andrew C. Pope Ok…The four words are as follows: “Shall not be infringed.” The term “shall not be infringed” is clearly limited by the term “well-regulated.” Even Antonin Scalia, in his famous Heller decision, stated that the right to keep and bear arms under the Second Amendment “is not unlimited.” Even the most conservative justices acknowledge that there are practical limits to the extent of 2nd Amendment freedoms and it is universally accepted that Congress and the states have the constitutional authority to regulate the possession and use of firearms. In the wake of Heller bans on semi-automatic weapons and high-capacity magazines have been upheld as constitutional by the DC Circuit, the 7th Circuit, the 2nd Circuit, and the 4th Circuit. No appellate court has ruled an assault weapons ban to be unconstitutional and the Supreme Court has declined to take the NRA’s appeals from the decisions that have been entered. February 22, 2018 4:05 PM Andrew C. Pope You want to center on an AR-15 is only design t kill people so was a musket then so are knives, arrows, and spears. These took were designed to kill game AND enemies, people. If you need an AR-15 to kill game then you suck at hunting, are trying to compensate for some gnawing sense of inadequacy, or a combination of both. You should probably pick up another hobby. Maybe crochet, stamp collecting, or learning how to spell. So by you own logic since the government banned drugs it has control, now that worked well for prohibition didn’t it. Or maybe take up logic games as an exercise, because you’re clearly struggling. You said that the government doesn’t control drugs. I, correctly, pointed out that they do, by banning them. That is a form of control and regulation. Don’t get mad at me because you didn’t think your argument through the first time. This is why it didn’t work. The FBI didn’t just flub that background check they didn’t even investigate it as they admitted. You’re wrong on this one. The background check would only turn up felony convictions, domestic violence misdemeanor convictions, adjudications of mental incompetence, or institutionalization in a mental health facility. It’s not going to turn up school disciplinary records or complaints to the police that aren’t ultimately turned into convictions. That’s the problem with the current background check system a lot of people fall through the cracks because there are so many cracks for them to fall through. Nearly every level headed person who isn’t taking fistfuls of cash from the NRA agrees with this. This is not the first time so don’t they also bear responsibility? Yes they do except to the people who believe government is the answer to all things. I would ask 6 million Jews about that one if they were still around to answer. I don’t even know what this sentence means, but I’d like to just go ahead and tell you right now that I’m the last person you want to lecture on the Holocaust, pal. February 22, 2018 4:17 PM Noway2016 Nope. It is an individual right. Sorry. Libs have clung, sputteringly, to the “militia” term as only meaning a group. That was shot down. Sorry. All of this Lib full court press, after each of these instances, fills NRA coffers like the misguided crusade against Chick Filet a few years back. Yall have regulated the 2nd Amendment as much as the folks are going to allow. Any pol who advocates more will likely be defeated. February 22, 2018 4:32 PM Ellynn So stop avoiding Eiger post to you from your first comment of the day. You answered Andrews comments , not Eigers. February 22, 2018 4:40 PM Noway2016 Ok. A misread by me. I simply disagree with Eiger’s points. I want the age lowered for handguns. As well as the drinking age to 18, too. Adult in all aspects. February 22, 2018 4:51 PM Andrew C. Pope Nope. It is an individual right. Never said it wasn’t. For the 100th time, learn to read critically. Libs have clung, sputteringly, to the “militia” term as only meaning a group. I’ve referenced the phrase “well-regulated” multiple times and even backed myself up with Scalia. Again, learn to read critically. I see why Russia thought some Americans were gullible enough to fall for their disinformation campaign. Rubes like you abound. February 22, 2018 5:08 PM bethebalance I didn’t think it was worth arguing Constitutional law with the straw man waiting to confiscate your guns at the bottom of the alleged slippery slope. The straw man doesn’t care about the finer points of the Constitution, and only screams about how slippery the slope is, as he willingly walks into the water, ignoring the fact that the “slope” is actually a well-regulated staircase that has a warning sign up top stating that no men, straw or otherwise, are allowed to enter the water. February 22, 2018 5:38 PM bethebalance Bullying the NRA? Where is your fainting couch? The NRA is a group with a bad gun policy, so in their own lingo, the best way to address that is with good gun policy. Are you saying they don’t have the skin for public policy debate and politics? February 22, 2018 10:10 AM Log in to Reply Dannie C. Kemp Ah-Hem, that’s “gun safety”, not gun control. ~Lawmakers. Bogus inspections: Nothing New Under the Sun. Crystal River Duke Plant. Inspectors would x-ray a good weld and use the same x-ray repeatedly for inspections of different welds. The outrage of youth: If my generations is any indication, they will all likely end up working for the NRA. February 22, 2018 8:32 AM Log in to Reply Dave Bearse Whether we are Republican or Democrat, we must now focus on strengthening Background Checks! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 21, 2018 “President Donald Trump’s newly unveiled budget would cut millions of dollars from the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which gun dealers use to verify if someone is banned from buying a gun before selling it to them. Buried on Page 719 of his fiscal year 2019 budget, released Monday, the president calls for cuts to the National Criminal Records History Improvement Program and the NICS Act Record Improvement Program. Both provide federal grants to states to help them improve their reporting of criminal records and protection orders to the national database for background checks, including domestic violence records. The two programs are currently budgeted at $73 million. Trump’s budget proposal for the fiscal year that begins Oct. 1 would slash their funding to $61 million, which amounts to a 16 percent cut.” https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-nra-gun-safety-background-checks_us_5a84abdee4b0774f31d1b770 Yeah, we’ll strengthen background checks by spending less on them! Just like we’ll reduce the deficit by reducing tax revenue. Makes perfect sense. February 22, 2018 10:01 AM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope Marco Rubio said the Orlando shooting was the reason he decided to run for re-election to the Senate. He hasn’t done jack on guns since then. It’s easy to feign concern and then go right back to business as usual, that’s what we’ve been doing for decades now. February 22, 2018 10:29 AM Log in to Reply Benevolus The Dillard House? Puh-leaze. Any restaurant that accommodates busloads is unlikely to be near the top of any legit good food list. Now take Bell’s in Toccoa….. mmmmm. Or Whistle Stop in Juliette! Excellent stuff. Gerald’s on Tybee for the best fried shrimp. February 22, 2018 10:48 AM Log in to Reply Lea Thrace Havent been to any of the ones you mention. But The Dillard House is TRULY a purveyor of top notch good food. I have a yearly retreat there that I have been going to for 10 years. The food has remained consistently fantastic. I think its an honor that though debatable (from the perspective of there being so many good restaurants in GA) is well deserved. February 22, 2018 10:58 AM Log in to Reply Ellynn Love me a brisket sub or a Tybee Po’boy http://tybeebbq.com/ February 22, 2018 11:34 AM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Dillard House has lived on its reputation for years. It did used to be better. To me, nothing special any more. And the prices are way over the top. Piccadilly, anyone? February 22, 2018 4:47 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn “Upgrading the teachers’ unions into armed paramilitaries will add an exciting frisson to contract negotiations.” David Frum 2/22/2018 As the child of a teacher, the picture in my mind of my then mid 40 year old mom dressed up as a paramilitary anything surround by little second graders as she reads them ‘How to Eat Fried Worms” leads me to snicker uncontrollably. February 22, 2018 12:09 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope If teachers are already having to pay for their own school supplies, are they going to have to pay for their own handgun and ammunition, too? Where are chronically underfunded schools going to get the budget for arming teachers and training them in marksmanship? February 22, 2018 2:01 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn Stop preaching to the choir and enjoy the sarcasm. February 22, 2018 2:17 PM Log in to Reply ScottNAtlanta Again…Rasmussen is not a reliable pollster because they only use landlines. They are consistently 5 to 10 points to the right of any other poll…but if you want to delude yourself…go right ahead. When the RCP avg is better than Obama’s at the same time…post that…if it ever happens February 22, 2018 1:30 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn Proving once again, President Trump lives in a different world then us… http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/375102-trump-raises-concerns-about-impact-of-violent-movies-says-we-may-have FYI The Motion Picture Association of America and Entertainment Software Rating Board both rate and classify content based on its suitability for specific audiences. February 22, 2018 2:38 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope He knows how much money the NRA gave his campaign, he knows how much the RCCC and RSCC need NRA dollars for the midterms, he knows how coming out against the NRA will play with a base he desperately needs to turn out in November. LaPierre and Loesch were on the offensive today at CPAC. The Freedom Caucus is already conditioning any move on bump stocks or magazines on approval of concealed carry reciprocity (something they know blue states will never go for). Trump is trying to tiptoe the line of looking like he’s doing something without actually doing something. **Speaking of the midterms, Rick Scott lost the race for Senate last night by failing to show up to the CNN town hall and falling to meet with survivors when they rallied in Tallahassee yesterday. If I’m the GOP, I’m very concerned about losing the Florida governor’s race the in advance of a census and redistricting. February 22, 2018 2:46 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope A radiologist at a trauma center who was on call last week when the shooting took place describes what an AR-15 round does to the human body. It’s graphic and it’s uncomfortable, but I think it’s something important for everyone to read… especially in light of Eiger’s post earlier: https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/553937/?__twitter_impression=true Routine handgun injuries leave entry and exit wounds and linear tracks through the victim’s body that are roughly the size of the bullet. If the bullet does not directly hit something crucial like the heart or the aorta, and they do not bleed to death before being transported to our care at a trauma center, chances are, we can save the victim. The bullets fired by an AR-15 are different; they travel at higher velocity and are far more lethal. The damage they cause is a function of the energy they impart as they pass through the body. A typical AR-15 bullet leaves the barrel traveling almost three times faster than, and imparting more than three times the energy of, a typical 9mm bullet from a handgun. An AR-15 rifle outfitted with a magazine cartridge with 50 rounds allows many more lethal bullets to be delivered quickly without reloading. … With an AR-15, the shooter does not have to be particularly accurate. The victim does not have to be unlucky. If a victim takes a direct hit to the liver from an AR-15, the damage is far graver than that of a simple handgun shot injury. Handgun injuries to the liver are generally survivable unless the bullet hits the main blood supply to the liver. An AR-15 bullet wound to the middle of the liver would cause so much bleeding that the patient would likely never make it to a trauma center to receive our care. February 22, 2018 2:41 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn Meanwhile in Men behaving badly… https://apnews.com/2476fc3df7ee4271b13ebb11acf7914e February 22, 2018 3:03 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn How to plan a protect I-gen style. https://www.axios.com/school-walkouts-snapchat-visualization-parkland-gun-7cd34b9f-9c27-4e68-bc05-65835ff92631.html February 22, 2018 3:17 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn Tax cuts at work… if you have a 401(k). One of these companies just raised one of my class A prescriptions. So instead of $40, it’s now $ 75 a month. (with out insurance it’s $642.) https://www.axios.com/pharma-share-buyback-tax-reform-40a30b93-6149-4c67-bd65-cd05ee814215.html February 22, 2018 4:55 PM Log in to Reply Will Durant NRA Leader Warns Conservatives Of ‘Socialist Wave’ In Wake Of Shooting Just over a week after 17 people were killed at Parkland, Fla., high school, National Rifle Association executive vice president and CEO Wayne LaPierre gave a fiery, defiant speech at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC, on Thursday at the National Harbor in Maryland. LaPierre defended Second Amendment rights and warned of a “socialist agenda” intended to strip firearms away from law-abiding citizens… LaPierre, who was not listed on CPAC’s official schedule, accused Democrats of making gun control a political issue in order to achieve their ultimate goal to “eradicate all individual freedoms.” The old domino theory once again. How well did this theory apply in Vietnam and the spread of Communism? Oh, and I expect an apology from a couple of you who strenuously defended the guy who went to the polls wearing his NRA paraphernalia in Douglas County. The NRA obviously has nothing to do with the Republican Party. [/sarc] https://www.npr.org/2018/02/22/587911457/nra-leader-warns-conservatives-of-socialist-wave-in-wake-of-shooting February 22, 2018 5:33 PM Log in to Reply Ellynn Men Behaving Badly, Governor In Handcuff Addition. (I’m guessing he’s going to be too busy to be at the National Governors Association meeting in DC this weekend) http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article201629499.html February 22, 2018 5:47 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Bottom line in all of this: The NRA didn’t kill anyone. The crazy kid did! Oh hell forgot ’bout him. Law enforcement was more responsible for allowing the incident to play itself out. Forget “strawmen” and continuing bellowing at the top of your lungs at the “boogieman.” That be the NRA. And thankfully, they’ll try and defeat anyone who over reaches on gun control. February 22, 2018 5:57 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope Can we all agree that the guy who spent a whole day rending garments and gnashing teeth because people are being mean to one of the country’s wealthiest and most influential lobbying groups has lost all standing to call anyone a snowflake? February 23, 2018 5:50 AM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Keep on whining, Mewler! Remember: Never let a crisis go to waste. Them NRA coffers are busting at the seams!!!! Please continue! Lol! February 23, 2018 6:54 AM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope Mewler? I’m not sure I understand the reference. Is it a cat thing? Some show from the 70s or 80s I wasn’t alive for? February 23, 2018 7:35 AM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Mewling, whining! Sounds damn similar to the pronunciation of your fav special prosecutor, too! February 23, 2018 8:21 AM Andrew C. Pope You know it’s pronounced MULL-err not MEWL-her? Right? If you’re going to try and insult someone do a modicum of research first. February 23, 2018 10:28 AM Noway2016 More CNN crap… https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/22/shooting_survivor_colton_haab_cnn_gave_me_scripted_question_after_denying_question_about_armed_guards.html February 22, 2018 7:53 PM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Can anyone find a gun crime committed by an NRA member? There has to be at least one! If we got everyone to join the NRA then it seems to me that gun violence would HAVE TO GO DOWN. Almost all murders (80%) are committed by democrats in cities controlled by democrats. Looks to me like if we could ban guns from DEMOCRATS then we would all be safer! February 22, 2018 9:36 PM Log in to Reply Noway2016 Never looked at it that way. He’s got a point. Hey, Mewler, try and find us some horrid crime committed by an NRA member. With your hatred of them fueling your effort surely you’ll unearth a speeding ticket somewhere! February 23, 2018 7:22 AM Log in to Reply MikeSilver There are. BUT …… the most law abiding demographic is NRA Membership. Why? Because to own and purchase a gun, you have to a “clean” background. If you didn’t own a gun, why belong to any gun organization? Law Enforcement Officers have a higher rate than the average, some LEO’s have criminal records that would prohibit them from obtaining a gun. The AJC did a story about this several years ago (well done by the way). February 23, 2018 7:41 AM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Can anyone find a gun crime committed by an NRA member? There has to be at least one! If we got everyone to join the NRA then it seems to me that gun violence would HAVE TO GO DOWN. February 22, 2018 9:47 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope You already said that, Olev. February 23, 2018 5:47 AM Log in to Reply downthemiddle Well I’ll be…Congresswoman: Shooters end up being democrats!! She is right! And brave enough to say it. Maybe some lazy reporter will get off his rear end and verify this. And from New York too. A lifelong member….and attractive to boot! I doubt she was wearing a pussy hat a few months ago! A female that could actually get a date and knows which bathroom to use! https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/22/claudia-tenney-republican-mass-shooters-democrats-421658 February 23, 2018 8:46 AM Log in to Reply The Eiger This is why we can’t have nice things. February 23, 2018 8:53 AM Log in to Reply Lea Thrace Yep. February 23, 2018 9:18 AM bethebalance Is it possible that Russian trolls have branched out to blogs? February 23, 2018 10:21 AM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope Noway has been around for a while. I guess the Kremlin figured he needed backup. February 23, 2018 10:27 AM bethebalance Sure, Noway’s done a Depolrable job, but somebody had to do it. Dollars to donuts, though, that “downthemiddle” is the real deal and won’t prove his real identity by disclosing his Social Security #. February 23, 2018 10:44 AM Andrew C. Pope I’m operating on the assumption that Noway and downthemiddle are the same people. After all, I’ve never seen them in the same place. February 23, 2018 10:51 AM bethebalance Now that you mention it, “Noway” is a really odd name. Is it some play on words I can’t see? Because it otherwise implies there is no way forward? Or a path to Nowhere? All that belies Noway’s stated partisan preferences. February 23, 2018 11:11 AM Noway2016 Neever seen the poster before yesterday. And all of you know my alter ego. That be The great pumpkin. I’ll dust him off when I talk about Hillary getting indicted. February 23, 2018 11:22 AM Noway2016 Ok…The story on the name Noway. I was seeing this site one day and saw a Lib post that I disagreed with and actually voice out loud, “No way!!” I then created that identity for the PP site and the rest is history… February 23, 2018 11:25 AM Noway2016 Drew, what might take you back to DC? You can still fight from there, ya know! February 23, 2018 11:27 AM Log in to Reply Add a Comment Cancel replyYou must be logged in to post a comment.