Morning Reads for Mardi Gras 2018

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MikeSilver
MikeSilver

The painter that Obama chose, Kehinde Wiley, likes to paint black women holding the decapitated heads of white women up like trophies. He proudly shows one of his decapitations on the front page of his web site (http://kehindewiley.com/) . I’m sure that wasn’t an oversight and likely was why Obama selected him.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Enslaving, lynching, and systemically discriminating against an entire race > painting a picture that hurt poor Mikey’s feelings.

The Eiger
The Eiger

I fail to see your point. I did not enslave, lynch and systemically discriminate against an entire race. Yet, I still find some of Wiley’s art pretty offensive. Are you saying if you are offend by this artist you cannot also believe slavery was one of the darkest parts of our great country? Can you not be offended by what is clearly a racially motivated painting and also think that the racial discrimination was a very real and terrible thing. Again, I fail to understand your point.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

I’m saying that Mike getting triggered by a piece of art is a lesser evil than the institutional discrimination that led to Wiley’s artwork. While neither you nor I may have enslaved or lynched anyone, we’ve doubtlessly benefited from an economic, political, and social system built on the back of slavery and racial discrimination… a system Wiley confronts and comments upon in his artwork.

I guess the shorter response would have been to tell Mike to stop being such a snowflake.

The Eiger
The Eiger

I am where I am today because I am white? Is that what you are saying. Please correct me if that is not what you are saying. I fully understand that our country has had very bad times. Learning from them and not repeating them is important. Those terrible times should never be forgotten or glossed over. But…. I tend to get a little pissed when people insinuate I was given what I have because I’m white. My grandfather was truck driver that picked cotton in the 195os to help his parents pay rent in south Georgia. My dad was… Read more »

bethebalance
bethebalance

Eiger, that whole “I didn’t do anything, so….” is such a cop-out, and highlights how so many folks can’t see personal responsibility beyond the tip of their own nose. Some use it such great effect as to refuse to acknowledge or address the past or present results of it, much less be part of the solution. The painting would probably offend me, too, and that’s the point. The artist was probably offended by the past wrongs that affected his family and community. You don’t think you personally benefitted from systemic oppression of brown-skinned ppl? You fail to recognize your privilege.… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

No I’m not saying that you are where you are because you’re white. I am saying that we are still seeing the effects of America’s history of systemic and institutionalized racism and that you and I, as white males, benefit from those effects. That isn’t meant to diminish what you’ve accomplished or what your family has accomplished, it is meant to point out that those same opportunities don’t exist – by and large – for African-American families. It’s an argument I know you’re capable of understanding without a Noway-style message board meltdown. For example: You mentioned that your grandfather was… Read more »

The Eiger
The Eiger

“You fail to recognize your privilege” Piss off. “If your ancestors were black, they would have been much less likely to even have the opportunity to own land, or get paid to pick cotton.” My grandfather’s parents didn’t own the land. They were Irish share croppers picking cotton on someone else’s land just like their black neighbors. So, yeah, wrong on that point. “Did you still nevertheless benefit from NOT being casually arrested,” Twice. Once was probably my fault. The other not so much. “Welcome to your white privilege.” Again, piss off. I’m not ashamed of where I come from,… Read more »

bethebalance
bethebalance

You misunderstand.
Do not be ashamed.
Just be responsible to the reality of the past and present and future.
A reality that goes beyond your own personal story..

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Also – to go art nerd for a second – the painting Mike is referencing, Judith and Holofernes is a reinvention of Caravaggio’s famous painting of the Jewish hero.

https://www.caravaggio-foundation.org/Judith-Beheading-Holofernes-C.-1598.html

Here’s a Judith painting from Cranach the Elder:
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Here’s one from Cristofano Allori:
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Here’s one from Francesco del Cairo:
https://www.1st-art-gallery.com/Francesco-Del-Cairo/Judith-Beheading-Holofernes-C.1648-54.html

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Further… the series in which Wiley’s Judith appears is a series of paintings re-casting iconic women in Classical art with depictions of strong, black women.

For example, here is the painting Mrs. Waldorf Astor by John Singer Sargeant:
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Here is Wiley’s Mrs. Waldorf Astor:
http://www.kehindewiley.com/an_Economy_of_grace/Mrs_Waldorf_Astor.html

Here is Sir Edwin Landseer’s Princess Victoire of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha
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Here is Wiley’s interpretation:
http://www.kehindewiley.com/an_Economy_of_grace/Princess_Victoire.html

So, maybe Mike should do a modicum of research before clutching his pearls.

bethebalance
bethebalance

‘Appreciate those links, ACP. Such a raw story, and there’s a reason it’s resonated through the centuries.

MikeSilver
MikeSilver

Why do you think I know nothing? Yes, I immediately recognized the sophomoric imitation by Wiley of some classic works. But by doing so, isn’t Wiley appropriating white culture? Isn’t that what Leftists call it? Wiley is a unskilled political statement artist who advocates for violence against whites and perpetuating racial division. That’s why Obama hired him …they are two peas in a pod. Like all Leftists and Democrats, Obama sees everything through a black vs. white lens. Long term, Obama will be known our nation’s greatest racial divider. He had a chance to bring our nation closer toward Dr.… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Finally, while the Leftist are running around calling anyone with an opposing view a “Racist” and discovering nano-aggression

You’re the one currently butthurt about a painting.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Don’t acknowledge the horrid optics that the Obama artist has in his past collection of work, Drew. Noooooooo, just Ring, ring, ring, ring!!! Gobble them racist pellets, Pavlov!!! Why don’t you and Anita Ward do a remake of her 1979 smash disco hit, “Ring My Bell”? But hey, don’t be jealous when her falsetto is a couple of octaves lower than yours!

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

You’re slipping. Has the weight of being a D- internet troll finally caught up to you?

Ellynn
Ellynn

Placing my Art History hat on my head, Wiley is known for taking the subject and staging of famous pieces of art work and using modern subjects and inserting them in mundane backgrounds. In an interview he has stated he inserts black and brown individuals into the typically all-white history of Western art. Wiley has done two different versions of ‘Judith with the head of Holofernes’. He has well over 200 known pieces, and TWO are women cutting off another woman’s head. His technical work is phenomenal, skill and research wise. The National Gallery paintings have always been more relaxed… Read more »

Ellynn
Ellynn

I’m looking forward to the ‘outrage’ over staging gang members as Christ.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

If you thought Megyn Kelly and Sean Hannity got irrationally upset at a black Santa Claus, one of them is going to burst a blood vessel at the notion of a black Napoleon.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QmADVHQt7_0/T5i5LBFMyaI/AAAAAAAAPdE/DpnIGX8GkyU/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/DSC_0549.JPG

Ellynn
Ellynn

The Ice-T Napoleon based on the Ingres is just so over the top.

Good blog on the non- linear aspect of Art and Art History

http://allthingsruffnerian.blogspot.com/2012/01/art-history-is-not-linear-no-4.html

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

Trump’s budget last year predicted a $526 billion budget deficit for the 2019 fiscal year, but it will now easily exceed $1 trillion after the cost of the new spending pact and the tax cuts are added to CBO projections. From the Washington Post: “Even with upbeat economic forecast and numerous proposed cuts to social programs, most of which will be dead on arrival in Congress, the Trump administration projects that it would run a deficit of $450 billion in 2027.” Those “upbeat projections”, you know, the dynamic scoring used to argue that tax bill’s loss of revenue would be… Read more »

chamblee54
chamblee54

Happy Mardi Gras, y’all https://chamblee54.wordpress.com/
Is the horrible history>snowflake sensitivity logic, displayed by Mr. Pope at the top of this thread, a function of white privilege?

chefdavid
chefdavid

Tax Tax Tax that’s all they want. They don’t know how much it will collect. They just learned last month it is not on gas. They don’t know what they will spend it on but it will be a good thing they tell us. http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2018/feb/13/after-rejectithree-months-ago-dade-county-ga/463560/

Benevolus
Benevolus

Maybe the Times Free Press could apply for a grant to get their website into the 21st century.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Here’s a little update on the “Hey, that Fat Koch kid needs more money for his t-shirt empire, so let’s literally take food out of the mouths of poor people” budget plan the White House put forward: The food distribution program put forward yesterday (aka “s—y Blue Apron”) has already been used on Federal Indian reservations for decades. What’s the result of this program? Native Americans have the highest rate of diabetes in the country and are the mortality rate of diabetes among Native Americans is three times higher than that of all other races. Native Americans have higher rates… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

According to FBI Director Christopher Wray, the FBI gave the White House a partial report on Rob Porter’s background check in March 2017. They completed the background check and gave a complete report to the White House in July 2017. They provided a follow-up report in November 2017. They closed his file in January 2017. Y’all may be shocked to learn this, but the Trump Administration is lying about when they learned of Porter’s history of domestic violence. They’ve known about it since, at least, July 2017. For the past 6-7 months, the White House has been more than content… Read more »

bethebalance
bethebalance

The one part of the story I admit to being unclear about a bit is the risk of compromise. One ex-wife already had a Protective Order out, right? So, is the risk of compromise that the others will file for Protective Orders if he doesn’t bend to their will? Or that a D.A. will threaten criminal action if they don’t bend to the D.A>’s will? Are their children involved? Every scenario I can think of also has other bad actors involved, and seem to indirectly implicate the victims or prosecutors of doing blackmailing. Otherwise, having the allegations out there seem… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Putting on my “person who still has a clearance” hat… The concern re: blackmail has to to with the risk that someone whose interests are adverse to those of the United States (e.g., Russia, Wikileaks, some international terror group, some comic book villain) could threaten Porter with the release of the photographs/allegations/etc. in exchange for access to top secret materials or Porter acting in a way that they want him to. The government takes this stuff seriously. Especially for national security positions. That’s why the background check process is as intense as it is. The SF-86 form is over 120… Read more »

bethebalance
bethebalance

I certainly understand the depth. And maybe the domestic violence charges aren’t the whole story behind the clearance concerns. In fact, to me, it would make more sense if they weren’t because once things like the allegations are out there, there is less fear of public shaming, not more; i.e. less leverage for someone who possesses knowledge. By the same logic, it’s the things that are unknown to the public- but known to the FBI investigators- that could be more compromising.

bethebalance
bethebalance

If it’s about the moral and ethical issues associated with the charges, then OK. But extrapolating the intent and act of one crime and applying it as a propensity to commit a difference kind of crime…that’s usually just not good evidence.

Benevolus
Benevolus

Well if the person didn’t admit it, and the background investigation shows a likelihood that they did do it, then they are showing a lack of trustworthiness.
The CIA may want that person though. A skill at lying is valuable in some jobs.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

once things like the allegations are out there, there is less fear of public shaming, not more; i.e. less leverage for someone who possesses knowledge. If someone came to him and said “if you don’t get me a list of active US intelligence assets, I’m going to publish the photos of your wife’s black eye,” there’s a chance he’d comply in order to save his job and his reputation. As we’ve now seen, he lost his job once these allegations went public. We’re lucky, from a national security standpoint, they went public as a result of the women themselves and… Read more »

The Eiger
The Eiger

Having had to sit through a two and a half hour interview for one of these I can tell you they are terrible. How someone who is a wife beater thinks they can get a security clearance is beyond me. How Jared continues to sit in on meetings also is beyond me. He has lied, or “forgotten” about past meetings with questionable characters. I remember being quizzed by my interviewer on why my wife and I eloped to St. Lucia to get married. Why did I pick St. Lucia? Who did I meet while there? Who did I meet? Did… Read more »

Benevolus
Benevolus

He’s obviously a double-agent.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

To second this… they make it intensely clear that there are major consequences for lying or intentionally omitting information on the SF-86. They ask about everything… including how frequently I spoke to my grandmother. That Jared needed to make 4 separate updates to his form because he “forgot” to disclose foreign contacts is absolutely beyond any realm of credibility. It’s so beyond the realm of credibility, that he’s still on a temporary clearance after 13 months in the White House. I can say with 100% confidence its because the FBI has come back and said that there’s no way they’d… Read more »

bethebalance
bethebalance

Yeah, lying/failing to disclose makes sense.
St. Lucia, btw, was one my favorite places (although some infrastructure upgrades wouldn’t hurt). Grandmas, though, clearly can’t be trusted.

Benevolus
Benevolus

I learned something new today (that usually makes it a good day).

“Bona to vada your dolly old eek!”

That may seem like a string of nonsense words from Dr Seuss’s The Cat in the Hat or Anthony Burgess’s A Clockwork Orange but it’s a real-life greeting gay men in the UK would say to each other in the 1950s and 60s. It means “Good to see your nice face.”
http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20180212-polari-the-code-language-gay-men-used-to-survive

Noway2016
Noway2016

The Libs praise North Korea and boo Pence! Lol! This Fall’s commercials just keep writing themselves!

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

You mean Libs like this? Fox News: Kim Jong Un’s sister steals show at Olympic ceremony http://video.foxnews.com/v/5730292616001/?#sp=show-clips Brietbart: North Korean Cheerleaders, Marching Band, Angel of Smile Ice Skater Invade Olympics http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/02/08/north-korea-launches-olympic-charm-offensive-cheerleaders-marching-band-angel-smile-ice-skater/ Fox News: Kim Jong Un’s Ivanka set for Winter Olympics visit with North Korean delegation http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/02/07/kim-jong-uns-ivanka-set-for-winter-olympics-visit-with-north-korean-delegation.html “Kim Yo Jong is seen by some in the South Korean media as a moderating force on her more impulsive brother, much the way Ivanka Trump is seen by some US pundits as a moderate influence on her father, President Trump.” Fox News: Kim Jong Un’s sister arrives for Winter Olympics, meeting with… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Meanwhile, MikeSilver buried the lede. The real outrage over the Obama painting is about the “secret sperm” and sexual innuendo!

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sean-hannity-promotes-then-deletes-bonkers-obama-portrait-secret-sperm-conspiracy-theory

xdog
xdog

Thanks for the warning. I’ll click on just about any link but I draw the line at getting filled in on Hannity-secret-sperm conspiracies.

As far as Silver’s post, I thought it was typical of a certain part of the deluded right. “Of course the Kenyan usurper would hire a thug to paint his portrait.”

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

I think it has more to do with the general “get off my lawn” attitude Boomers have always held regarding Hip-Hop culture. Some of that is racially motivated.

bethebalance
bethebalance

Hannity blames his staff. Sounds familiar.
As does re-posting content written by Russian trolls in 4chan.

MikeSilver
MikeSilver

I saw that last night. Even I was skeptical because that would be so over the top and insulting. There is another criticism out in DEPLORABLE land. Apparently Wiley used a stencil for the foliage as there are several spots on the painting that look exactly alike. Whatever. That’s just a background. Setting aside the politics, I’d say the painting is above average and I think does express the positive side of Obama. It’ll definitely stand out from the others and will be an attraction for sure. In the spirit of Glasnost, I believe Obama was 500 times a better… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

Maggot dies of lead poisoning.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/13/intruder-picks-wrong-home-awakes-federal-agent-dies-scene/
Let’s hope it was at least two magazines!

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Two magazines would get the agent thrown in jail for manslaughter or first degree murder, so let’s maybe not hope that.

Benevolus
Benevolus

If some bullets are good, more bullets are better. Don’t complicate things.

Noway2016
Noway2016

I’m on my way to ER!!! First time ever I agree with B , even though he was teasing! Our Glasnost has to start somewhere, right?

Benevolus
Benevolus

Oh I don’t know. Surely we also agree that foreign governments trying to interfere in our elections is wrong, right?

Noway2016
Noway2016

Dang right! Hillary should have never hired those blasted Russians to conjur up a phony dossier to sway an election!

Benevolus
Benevolus

Impeach Hillary!

Noway2016
Noway2016

Ohhhhh, okkkkkkkkkk!! Maybe a standard Mozambique?? (That be two to the chest and one to the head…)

Indypendant
Indypendant

National Review and Penthouse Forum?

Noway2016
Noway2016

Does ” Dear PH Forum, I never thought this would happen to me…” Sound about right? Lol!