Monday Morning Reads — Jan 22, 2018

Happy Monday, everyone! Netflix released season four of Grace & Frankie. You’re welcome.

News by the Numbers

  • $14 billion – The federal government gives Georgia billions to for its state agencies. Now that the government is shutdown, Governor Deal made it clear the state will not step in to fund those programs.
  • 6 percent – Finally, we have statistics on teenage sex in Georgia! More teenagers are having sex today than they were 10 years ago.
  • 2 days – The shutdown and you!
  • 5 Republican candidates – Savannah hosted the first gubernatorial debate of 2018. Candidates expressed differences ranging from Georgia’s state income tax to Amazon to offshore drilling.
  • 60 percent more meat – McDonalds, meet the King, Burger. That’s right, Burger King has announced its new quarter pounder. It’s a sizable increase from its already unusually large whooper. Fast food junkies rejoice!
  • 1,000 poor souls – This might be the worst idea since landing the Hindenburg during a lightning storm. The city manager of a small town in Maine wants to segregate people by race and religion. And he refuses to resign.
  • 24th SAG Awards – For those of you who enjoy good movies, here’s the list of winners from this year’s SAG Awards. My only complaint: Timothee Chalamet should have won Best Actor for Call Me By Your Name.

 

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John Vestal
John Vestal

“More teenagers are having sex today than they were 10 years ago.”

Well, let’s hope so! Ten years ago they were in kindergarten!

MikeSilver
MikeSilver

Tax cuts have be time limited because of the impact on the deficit …. while Amnesty doesn’t have to meet the same criteria. Another example of Democrats Against Citizens of America (DACA).

ScottNAtlanta
ScottNAtlanta

I think you read your source incorrectly (and your grammar supports that theory). DACA SAVES money because if you take Dreamers that are currently working (a requirement) and revoke status they
1- cannot legally work (and pay taxes)
2- employers have to hire replacements and retrain for those positions in what is increasingly a tight labor market.
So in essence you are wrong.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Scott, expecting Mike or Noway to be remotely informed on any substantive topic is a fool’s errand. You’re better off finding some JV-level Russian troll account on Twitter.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Hey, Pope, congrats on your new role in American Pie 4 as Stiffler’s liberal little brother, Snifler!

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

If that’s the quality of your comeback game, I want to apologize for all the times you got owned in middle school and high school.

Will Durant
Will Durant

Trolling 101: When you have nothing cogent to say, resort to name calling.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Says two of the biggest name calling trolls out there. “Nazi”, “Racist!” At least my descriptions of the two of you are correct! LMAO!

Noway2016
Noway2016

Those “missing” texts between the corrupt fbi agents? Still retrievable from the phone company itself. Awwwwwwwe, shucks!!! Lol! I do believe that be metadata! MAGA!

Benevolus
Benevolus

“Corrupt” meaning “anti-Trump”?
If they find messages that say things like “Trump is the best president evah!” should they reassign that guy too?

Noway2016
Noway2016

Meaning blatantly biased! Nexxxxxxxt!!!

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Metadata doesn’t include the content of text messages, or emails, or phone calls.

Noway2016
Noway2016

These missing texts are exploding. Missing texts duting six months? Even B and Pope have to admit the horrid optics there! The phone companies have them. Appropriate agency subpoena will be issued forthwith!! Trump need to fire Comey ASAP! This cannot be tolerated by either side. Deplorables will not forget this. Turnout in November will dwarf that of 2016. Eiger, Mike…thoughts?

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Phone companies do not keep copies of the content of your text messages. Our privacy laws may be porous and not very protective of private citizens, but they aren’t that lax.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Drew, companies get subpoenas for individual texts all the time. Think divirce cases. Are you really this obtuse?

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

No, they get subpoenas for call records and for data on who/when/how frequently messages are exchanged.

Take it from the person who actually practices law on a daily basis. I can’t get the contents of someone’s texts unless I subpoena their actual phone.

chamblee54
chamblee54

25 people were killed by police in the United States last week. https://chamblee54.wordpress.com/2018/01/21/killed-by-police-january-21/

Will Durant
Will Durant

The Problem With Courting Amazon
“When cities compete to attract big employers, the country as a whole suffers.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2018/01/amazon-hq2-20-cities/550790/

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

Except the big employers.

MikeSilver
MikeSilver

My prior oost seems have ended up in the same place as the FBI Text Messages … ie in the ether.. I will try to keep my points pithy and brief. Deportation of all illegal aliens and their children, whether born here or not, is a net positive for our nation and in fact the world. When the illegals go home: 1) schools will have more resources to educate American kids, especially those with those challenges. 2) employers will replace illegal with Americans that don’t have the ideal qualifications at the start but will grow into their jobs either through… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

1) Your premise relies on the assumption that a reduction in the student population will not impact school funding. An estimated 123,000 people bought homes after their DACA applications were approved and Dreamers pay an estimated $380 million per year in property taxes. Further, the average Dreamer is in their mid-20s, meaning they’re going to be reaching a point where they’ll be buying their first home. Those figures don’t even factor in the US-born children of undocumented immigrants (who, mind you, are US citizens) nor does it factor in immigrants who have bought houses here in the United States. I… Read more »

MikeSilver
MikeSilver

I negotiate international business contracts so my answer to your last paragraph is based on a real example. I worked with a Salesperson in France. She was a French citizen and grew up in California. She decided to return home to France for personal reasons. She knew enough kitchen table French to get by at first then she became fluent in French. Her experience in the US has rocketed her career in France because she understands the US and can speak English. Her counterparts who did not live in the US are ….. let’s say “difficile” So if I ran… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

… and I’ve worked on international trade and finance for the State Department. An influx of English speakers does not an economic renaissance make. Especially in the “Third World” where there’s a dearth of companies needing English as a skill and a lack of domestic jobs to begin with. The example you provide is limited to companies that have some sort of international-focus to their customer base.

Benevolus
Benevolus

I thought I was losing my mind. My previous response (ACP said it better than me though): If we are talking about Dreamers, this is the only home they have ever known. You are talking about sending them to a place they don’t know, where likely don’t know anyone, have no job, or even a place to live. How is that ‘home’ to them? This isn’t even really controversial. It’s not about politics, it’s about human beings and doing the right thing. 87% of Americans understand this. It’s only the small group of extremists who have a Pavlovian reaction to… Read more »

MikeSilver
MikeSilver

Brit Hume Tweeted …. I doubted it was possible, but Dems have actually lost a shutdown fight. Schumer has agreed to end the filibuster in exchange for practically nothing. Make no mistake: Schumer & Dems caved. What a political fiasco.

MAGA!!!!

alpha male
alpha male

The dems folding like a cheap suit. Man they got completely torched. Not surprising in that the shut down was completely on them. But apparently the folks were not quite as dim witted as the dems were counting on. Chucky Schumer making McConnell look like freaking Tom Brady. Let’s be clear here. McConnell did not even give Schumer a fig leaf to hide behind. I cannot imagine the dems Bolshevik base is gonna be very pleased. The dems better be careful. Between the incredibly successful tax reform which they opposed and this shutdown theatre debacle, they just may punt away… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

Dems got thrown over that mossy log worse than Ned Beatty!!!!! LM**AO! Sans lube!!! Their voice just got horse from squealing!!!!!!!!! MAGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

I welcome Eiger’s level-headed thoughts. I don’t think either side won the shutdown. Nor do I think you can really declare a winner until we see what happens with DACA. Here’s the state of play, as I see it: – The can has been kicked to February 8, buying Congress a whopping 17 days to work out a deal on immigration and government spending. – From what I’ve heard, the Senate is much closer to a compromise than the House and there’s an emerging bipartisan consensus among Senators about what DACA should look like. I don’t think they’re at 60… Read more »

alpha male
alpha male

Lawd!! Lol! The dems got ROLLED, and everyone knows it. Even the lib press is admitting it.
Only a complete shill would try to say otherwise
Oh, and they miscalculated so badly, I now suspect the House pubs are gonna drive a much harder bargain on DACA than they would have previously. The dems leverage just took a huge hit. Lindsey Graham will not be leading the charge on this. More likely Tom Cotton now.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

So, let me get this straight. Over 80% of America wants to see a bipartisan agreement that protects the Dreamers and allows them to stay in the country. The House does not have a bill that stands any chance of attracting 50 votes in the Senate, let alone the 60 needed to even get a bill to the floor. Despite this, it is your opinion that the Republican strategy should be to create an even more partisan immigration bill and you seem to think that the resulting shutdown that would arise from the GOP cooking up a one-sided DACA bill… Read more »

alpha male
alpha male

Nope. The dems will NOT go back to the matt again for “ illegals”. They just got smoked attempting that. And this new agreement guarantees them nothing. So you are now telling me they are gonna shut down the government AGAIN over DACA when the House GOP refuses to go along with them?And now with even less leverage . Why should they? There has to be some repercussion for the stunt they just attempted to pull. And you just saw what that 80% support got the dems. You are right about one thing. That is the dumbest thing I have… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

1. I’m not sure how Democrats now have less leverage. CHIP has now been extended, taking away the GOP’s strongest bargaining (sigh) chip and preventing the next shutdown from being turned into a Sophie’s choice between children’s health insurance and DACA. 2. America wants to see Congress work together and they want to see a solution that protects the Dreamers. Please explain how House Republicans will benefit from rejecting a bipartisan Senate bill or passing an extremely harsh bill of their own? I’m starting to think your negotiating skills rival your ability to use the correct version of mat/matt. I… Read more »

Ellynn
Ellynn

https://www.axios.com/republicans-won-the-shutdown-battle-but-may-lose-1516651739-329a1a3b-dfec-4a8e-8a8e-318f24b5ac8a.html Keep in mind, Flake was promised a DACA bill in January for his vote on taxes. Collins was promised an ACA fix in January for her vote on taxes. If Mitch does not deliver on working out a DACA deal that will get 60 votes with WH involvement by 2/8/2018, he is on record saying bipartisan bills will go on the floor. Graham even pushed for on this. If Mitch does not publicly live up it his word, 1.) He will lost all trading power with the GOP centrists on any future bill, and on Dem votes when he… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Forget the March deadline. If Ryan refuses to put a bipartisan DACA compromise on the floor you’ll have a government shutdown in which the only folks with culpability will be Paul Ryan and the Freedom Caucus.

bethebalance
bethebalance

You can’t really blame a squirrel for having the attention span of an acorn. But most Senators and Reps know that the negotiations- and public reactions to them- will carry on longer than the instant moment, maybe even in over two weeks from now. The burden is now on Repubs to negotiate in good faith or they will look like liars. So, the chess match continues. But most Repubs want a deal, too, but the 13% of Americans represented by Stephen Miller have sway over the Pres., so in my crystal ball, I only see one way to get a… Read more »

Ellynn
Ellynn

As soon as a Time cover or major fake news award winner come out with the’ Miller is Trumps brain’, or Trump is Miller’s Puppet front page article, the glow will start to fade.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-stephen-miller-immigration-dreamers-20180121-story.html

Benevolus
Benevolus

Does cnn count?
“Trump takes immigration cues from ‘Pres. Stephen Miller'”
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/22/opinions/immigration-stephen-miller-begala/index.html

Clearly guys like Paul Begala are trying to manipulate Trump.

MikeSilver
MikeSilver

I’ll vote your 80% statistic supporting Amnesty as the fake-iest stat on the intertubes, today.

Do you really thing 80% of Americans agree on anything, let alone making citizens at of foreign invaders? If 80% of Americans support DACA then why did the Dems need to tie it to a must pass piece of legislation? If 80% of Americans supported DACA, then we would need to give McConnell a parade and Schumer a pony for passing such a bill.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

DACA is part of the spending bill because Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell need Democratic support to pass it. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59efd21ce4b0b7e63265bb76 Many Republicans have said they want to do something for Dreamers, but passing a stand-alone bill would likely only be possible if Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) chose to put a measure on the floor without majority support from their party. Adding DACA provisions to an omnibus bill is a potential workaround, and likely the best chance for Dreamer protections to succeed, but it also still alienates many Republicans and would likely force a significant number of… Read more »

The Eiger
The Eiger

I am a firm believer in never using the threat of a government shutdown to get an unrelated policy through the Senate. I didn’t support it in 2013 when Cruz wanted to do it and I certainly didn’t support it this time with DACA. I always worry that with a shutdown that republicans will lose because they are pretty terrible at messaging. But…… In this case the democrats did all of this to themselves. The clear winners are the individuals on CHIP and the republican party. I promise you that the dems conducted polls in key senate battle ground states… Read more »

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

“I always worry that with a shutdown that republicans will lose because they are pretty terrible at messaging.” ???

“We lived through it…” No, you’ve embraced it.

The Eiger
The Eiger

I think the line about messaging is pretty straight forward. Democrats are better at getting all their people to stay on message. Luckily it was easy for us this time to paint democrats as caring more about illegal aliens over sick kids and the military. How have I embraced it? Once it was guaranteed that the senate democrats wanted a shutdown I said what our message should be. That is all. I have never been and never will be for shutting the government down because the people who cause the shutdown never get what they want. It’s all about raising… Read more »

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

My comment was from longer, broader perspective. The GOP has been message masters for nearly 30 years. Current troubles are in part due to discarding of facade.

The far right wing has been embraced to the extent that the GOP has done nothing done for a few years that didn’t at least have the tacit indifference of the Freedom Caucus.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Eiger is right… shutdowns are all about messaging. In 2013, the message was “Ted Cruz and the Republicans shut down the government to try and force President Obama to repeal Obamacare, his signature legislative achievement.” The “sick kids v. dreamers” message was infuriating, mainly because if the GOP really cared about CHIP, they could have funded it in the 110 days prior to the shutdown. Then again, when you’re using the same strategy the Joker used in The Dark Knight it helps to have two equally compelling hostages. The Democrats are taking the L on this one, but I wouldn’t… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

We lived through it now you get to experience the wonders of the incoherent far wings of your own party. I don’t think it’s new. Warren is no more liberal than Russ Feingold or Paul Wellstone. Booker and Harris are so ideologically in line with Obama you’d think they just stole his 2008 and 2012 campaign platforms. Sanders has been raving and gesticulating wildly long before the Tea Party ever existed. The one thing we do as well as staying on message… bitterly sniping at one another over any perceived deviation from the base. (Perfect example… Hillary Clinton and Barack… Read more »

davidmac
davidmac

Don’t know if anyone’s started looking at their taxes yet, but I found an interesting nugget today. Turns out if you take the standard deduction on your 1040, you have to take the standard deduction on your Georgia IT-500. Dunno if you’ve checked lately, but the GA standard deduction is still a measly $3000 — vs. whatever it’d be if you itemized your federal deductions. Congratulations, Georgia Republicans, you’ve passed a giant tax hike for Georgians who used to itemize but won’t in 2018. If 2018 looks like 2017 for me, my Georgia income taxes just went up $1500 –… Read more »

The Eiger
The Eiger

Sucks for you.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

Quit trying to confuse things by citing actual numbers. Adjectives like terrific and beautiful are all that’s needed in discussing tax legislation, believe me.

The Eiger
The Eiger

It’s quite terrific and beautiful for me. My wife and I will have $10,000 more a year in our pockets. Those are real numbers and they are beautiful.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

I agree, it is terrific. Thanks to my tax break I’m gonna be able to max out my political donations in multiple battleground House districts.

The Eiger
The Eiger

Awesome sauce. We are all free so waste our hard earned money anyway we see fit. I’ll send my kid to a better school and put more savings into the booming stock market. Sorry, Obama’s booming stock market.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Heading up to DC this weekend to see some friends and take advantage of restaurant week. Any bars still running shutdown specials?

The Eiger
The Eiger

I don’t think so. Most of them were just for Monday. Capitol Lounge had some pretty good and funny drinks. Restaurant week will be fun. Alexandria is also having their restaurant week next week too. If you go into old town try Virtue Feed and Grain. It’s our favorite place.

Ellynn
Ellynn

Real question you two, Obama had a few corporate tax cut proposals that made it out of the administration into the congressional side. Granted they on had 28% cuts, and 20 % or so for repating funds. Why did they die or at least not get a look at when the economy REALLY needed them?

The Eiger
The Eiger

I’ve already said it. Republicans wanted it lower than 28%. In the most recent negotiations 25% was being pushed by some and even that wasn’t low enough. Many republicans felt like 20 was actually settling too high. There was an entire block of republicans in the House that were at 15% and not a percent higher. The reason many had this firm stance is because they perceive this as their only chance to drastically change the tax code while they are in congress. Why settle for a decrease by a few percentage points under a democrat president when you can… Read more »

Ellynn
Ellynn

So to recap, because the then controlling house (which could have lowered the amount to say 24% and included other little goods to lower personal taxes and Obama would have most likely signed it), waaaaaaay back in 2011 or 2013, and with the help of centralist dems have it most likely ass through the house and senate, preventing a corporate rate (and most likely an Obama political win) 6 years ago. The issue is if a tax cut is too extreme, congress has to either raise or create new taxes, or increase the debt. or stop funding important things, like… Read more »

The Eiger
The Eiger

24% would not have passed. I’m not making this up. Just telling you want happened. Also, there are those asshats (Cruz in particular) I mentioned in other threads that would never allow Obama to have a “win” on tax reform. This is the world we live in and this is why everyone hates politics. But be happy. You have tax reform now. It’s probably the only thing you will see out of this congress and president.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Obama and the Republicans passed significant tax cuts in 2010 ($858 billion) and 2013 ($321 billion) but given the economic realities of 2010 and 2013, the focus of those tax cuts were largely on extending the Bush tax cuts, payroll taxes, exemptions and credits for lower-income and middle-income families, etc. I really don’t think the political atmosphere was right for a debate over how far we should lower the corporate income tax rate. By the time the economy had sufficiently recovered, the GOP had gotten way too obstructionist for any substantive bipartisan legislation. I think, had Clinton won the White… Read more »

Benevolus
Benevolus

I full expect the Mark Meadows and his band of merry morons to completely botch the upcoming DACA debate.

It is hard to see a path to a productive resolution. Even if something passes through Congress (seems unlikely), will President Miller, err, I mean Trump, sign anything that’s less than 100% of what they want?

bethebalance
bethebalance

I suspect this could be a problem in many states. Often, states domesticate the federal changes. Anyone know of plans for GA to sync up with the new tax law this session?

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Looking forward to watching Paul Ryan defend the sanctity of an informal procedural rule named after a guy who sexually abused teenage boys.

Ellynn
Ellynn

It’s been 30 minutes with out Noway making a Byrd rule/KKK remark. Some one should make sure he’s okay.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Another racist charge, Sis? Really?

Ellynn
Ellynn

I didn’t say you were a racist or charge you as being one. I admit to calling you many other silly names and accusing you of equally silly actions. Like being over dramatic. Let’s review. When someone puts out a comment about something like the Hastert Rule, you have a few congressional go to reply’s to point out a Democratic counter point… Anything to do with Sen. Byrd/KKK is one of your standards – normally accusing one of us of erasing history or some other thing… You also use both of the Clintons. And Ted Kennedy’s bad bridge driving skills,… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

I guess he’s gotten tired of #winning.