Trump done? Hillary #45?

I’ll sum up my thoughts thusly – If we disqualify everybody who has said rude, crude stuff in private from seeking public office, it will be damn difficult to find anybody to run for anything. On the other hand, if we disqualify everybody who has exposed national secrets via their own private email server, it would eliminate one person. Trump is a narcissistic big talker, HRC is literally dangerous resulting in multiple deaths based on her decisions (or lack thereof).

Social media has been filled overnight with comments about the latest scandals hampering both presidential candidates. So here’s an open thread to discuss.

HRC speeches released via hack of John Podesta’s email – Hillary speeches released

Trump caught making crude comments on tape – Trump caught on tape

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Whatsben
Whatsben

Are you talking about Benghazi? I don’t understand why Republicans focus on this when there are so many real HRC issues to speak about, not one of your investigations could implicate her, and it’s a fact that life as an ambassador was much more dangerous under Bush. Get over Benghazi! It helped you find your stupid email issue, now move on, talking about Benghazi just makes it less likely I’ll listen to you when you actually have a scandal for me.

Benevolus
Benevolus

The irony is; Bill Clinton did some inappropriate things back in the day, but things are different now, and they are different partly because of the indignant outrage of Republicans pursuing his issues. We are less tolerant of such behavior now, thanks in part to Ken Starr, et al.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

Trump says rude, crude stuff in public when the spotlight is on him, so what’s your point about such private talk disqualifying someone from seeking office?

Normalizing misogyny by equating it with rude and crude?

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

I was right. The objective is normalizing misogyny.

“When he does his talking, he doesn’t go tiptoeing around all those thousands of rules of political correctness” – Mike Pence in response to Trump’s private remark:

“… when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p—-. You can do anything.”

Davo65
Davo65

Funny thing…this is the only thing Trump has said that I absolutely, without question, unequivocally believe to be the truth. He’s a pig and he knows it…his wife (3rd) and kids (including daughters) know it, too. The media knew about it but didn’t want to upset the gravy train without some real meat behind the fact. I guess we will see who still stands behind this freak after this weekend and what that will say about their character; it’s pretty apparent what Trumps is.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

Senators and governors don’t get to where they’re at and stay there without good political instincts and a sense of self-preservation. I think, the election being a month away, candidates like Ayotte will have to immediately start putting distance between themselves and Trump, should Trump win the next debate like he did the first.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

I was late on this too, Ayotte has already cast off from the Trump campaign.

“I will not be voting for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton and instead will be writing in Governor Pence for president on Election Day.” — Kelly Ayotte

Yeah, Mike Pence, the self-server seeking to normalize misogyny—see quote above.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

“The $916 million loss that Donald Trump reported on his 1995 income taxes was extraordinary. As Alan Cole from the conservative Tax Foundation notes, total net operating losses claimed on all individual income tax returns in 1995 amounted to $49.3 billion. That is, in that year, Trump claimed nearly 2% of all the net operating losses on individual tax returns in the entire country.” http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tax-returns-estate-taxes-hillary-clinton-2016-10 Someone using routine tax code provisions to reduce taxes qualifies as “genius” in the GOP. That most conservatives refuse to publicly distance themselves from Trump’s recklessness makes the word ‘conservative” useless as a description of… Read more »

Davo65
Davo65

Agreed. I wonder how Christian conservatives will ever live down their endorsement for Trump. From the start he was the antithesis of anything remotely personified by Christian values. Divorcee, casino owner, shady business dealings, and now self described philanderer and serial molester. How do you regain any credibility from this point forward? The stain from being a Trump backer is one that will always stay with you.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

Live it down? Easy. These are people that have shown the don’t remember anything for more than a week.

Credibility? People that believe the Bible literal and inerrant didn’t have any credibility to lose in the first place.

M.Christian
M.Christian

No. This is not “rude, crude stuff.” This is joking and bragging about sexual assault. He thinks he can get away with it because he’s famous? What would he try to get away with as president? It’s terrifying. How could I possibly protect my wife or sister from a predatory president?

Hillary will win this round, but at least we can get Gary Johnson over 5% for the sake of our future.

Lady T
Lady T

Yes Trump is done and the GOP is going down with him. The party needs to include women if it is to survive, and because of Trump and his apologists like Bart women will run away from the GOP like it was on fire, to the extent they aren’t already.

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

Trump said some stupid male stuff to Billy Bush (W’s cousin, of change the 2000 election fame) 16 years ago that was not political at the time and has nothing to do with the current election. No money changed hands, no lives lost as a result, nada, zip. Now Bush is back to help his family screw with another presidential election, ’cause they don’t like the things Trump said to Jeb on the way to trouncing him during the primary. And boy, Trump’s locker room comments 16 years ago are all we’ve heard about for two day! But no big… Read more »

Whatsben
Whatsben

First off, he isn’t just being a macho jerk, he is joking about sexual assault, he is describing behavior that he’s been accused of in the past. So looking it as just crude language is missing the point of why people are outraged. On the other hand Hillary Clinton is describing being a politician. You know why we finally reached a budget deal? Because Republicans and Democrats had public and private positions that allowed them to speak openly without having to worry about public outrage over a suggestion that was considered for maybe a second. You know who’s going to… Read more »

Benevolus
Benevolus

I’ve read that it was 2005, eleven years ago.

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

Benevolus, you’re right. I double-checked the reporting, and Billy Bush said it was 2005. But Whatsben, eleven years *still* is not anywhere near current, so the term “he is describing” does not apply. From what I saw on the news this evening, he is currently quite apologetic for whatever he said *privately* eleven years ago and has issued a public apology either yesterday or today. And maybe that’s how Hillary’s world works, but in the real world she’s got some ‘splainin’ to do. Neither candidate would have been my first choice, but we are where we are. I’m just sick… Read more »

Whatsben
Whatsben

Sally Forth Ok, yeah you’re probably right, he’s matured a lot since he was 59 years old, the 60’s is when most people really figure stuff out. Also, I’m not sure what your issue is with the word “describing” is, as his claims corroborate with the accusations of sexual assault that have made against him over the last several decades, down to the frickin tic tacs. Furthermore I think that any kind of equivalence between Clinton’s scandals and Trump’s is absurd. The man has left a wake of scammed shareholders and students, mob ties (sure, everyone involved with New York… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

One thought though: what possessed that little Bush weasel to tape Trump 11 years ago? In hopes of a moment like this? Imagine him keeping the micro cassette in his sock drawer for allllllll these years, waiting, hoping for an opportunity to redeem his worthless , loser life. Can you imagine him giggling like a teenage girl fishing out that tape and selling it to Hilly for 100k?

Trump is, indeed, a pig. No question. But all of the folks doing any-damn-thing to derail him is pretty bad.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

No, it’s not bad. Trump is a clear and present danger.

Teri
Teri

Come on, don’t you think that if Billy Bush recorded this on purpose, he’d have given the tape to his first cousin Jeb! waaaaaaay back during primary season?

Noway2016
Noway2016

You’re saying that the tape was accidentallyyyyyyy recorded!?!?!?

Benevolus
Benevolus

I hope it is true that Jeb! had something to do with this. That would be such a perfect lesson in political payback.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Yep! Hell hath no fury like a Bush scorned!

CoastalCat
CoastalCat

Trump supporters, you can never scrub the stink off. Remember that. Your future lives, respect from your peers and family, your relationship with the women in your life will be forever tainted.

Noway2016
Noway2016

You can say the same thing, verbatim, about Hilly , with her unrelenting abuse of The Preditor’s victims.

Teri
Teri

Dude please don’t say “taint.”

Sally Forth
Sally Forth

I’m not advocating for either candidate’s past stupidity — not then non-politician Trump’s locker room talk from 2005, nor then politician Hillary’s calling young blacks “super predators” in 1996. I am advocating for a focus on now and the huge problems facing our country. The media industry runs the public conversation, and they need to stop majoring in minors. On a scale of one to ten, things said by either candidate in private conversations over ten years ago rate about a -20 or lower in comparison to current, urgent issues. I am sick of tabloid-style, salacious political coverage. The “Hey,… Read more »

Benevolus
Benevolus

If Trump had any actual positions on anything-anything!-we could discuss them, but he doesn’t. His positions are about what you would expect of a 14 year old, which is apparently when he stopped maturing.

Whatsben
Whatsben

If you want to talk about the media’s lack of focus on issues, look no further then Donald. It’s kind of hard to have a discussion about Terrorism when one of the candidates “wants to keep it a secret”. It’s hard to have a discussion about immigration when one of the candidates has positions from all over the place and has only been consistent on that stupid wall. How are you going to talk about the deficit when Trumps tax plans are the least serious proposals we’ve ever seen, I dare you to find any tax expert who thinks his… Read more »

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

Remember, any politician that’s ever told a lie is no different than Trump.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

Worried about the debt? Trump’s tax plan adds $2.6T to $3.9T to the debt beyond current projections, accordingly to the Tax Foundation.