Morning Reads for Friday, July 22, 2016

“When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law.”

—Frederic Bastiat

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John Konop
John Konop

Trump did try to widen the tent will it work?

INSTANT POLL: Trump’s speech was a hit with voters

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/instant-poll-trumps-speech-hit-052004293.html

gcp
gcp

Saw part of his speech and it was just ok. Nothing new.

The other speakers alternated between good and not so good. PayPal guy was pretty good but the screaming preacher was a little too much. A 75 year old former football player is not gonna attract many young voters. Not sure why they used that woman that mostly talked about her business. I didn’t see much “tent widening.”

John Konop
John Konop

I thought this was a strong video, combined with Ivanka and some other speeches it was a strong showing, considering the times. 70 percent of people are going backwards, and the above spoke to them. Not sure it will work, but strategy made sense. Trump speech really was pushing the hot buttons.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

70 percent of people are going backwards? Pray tell, where’d you pull that number from?

John Konop
John Konop

BTW I can post you studies from the right as well.I just used a left think tank so you would not claim bias…..

………If you look at the EPI data from 2002 to 2014, then each grouping up to and including the 70th percentile saw its inflation-adjusted income decline………..

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/02/martin-omalley/martin-omalley-says-70-us-are-earning-same-or-less/

Ellynn
Ellynn

To be fair, the instant pols after each party’s speech is always skewed towards that party. The questions is for people who viewed the speech. The people who lean in the direction of the other side do not tend to watch the other parties convention. He also started catering to the middle and removing some of the more extreme code words his base thrives on. Example – are not banning Muslims now and having religious tests, we are banding people from counties that create terrorist. (I’m going to miss my radical catholic cousins from North Ireland visiting every other year.)

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

No more British, French, or Belgian immigrants. Melania’s family from Slovenia will now be banned. So to will Israelis, Italians, Indians, Greeks, Turks, etc. etc.

The “countries who create terrorism” ban is just as overly broad and intensely stupid as his Muslim ban. Especially when you consider that the San Bernadino guy was born in the US, the Orlando guy was born in the US, the Charleston guy was born in the US, the Oklahoma City guy was born in the US, I could go on and on and on.

John Konop
John Konop

Ellyn,

All very good points.

Bart
Bart

The punk from Texas is rolling through town today to add another anchor to Mike Crane’s sinking campaign – http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/politics-government/election/article90730577.html – If not for work, I would love to be there to thank the Cuban Canadian for unifying the GOP in support of Trump!

Noway2016
Noway2016

Krauthammer was right. The guy committed a long winded suicide the other night. Of course Jeb! wasn’t there, either. Rubio literally phoned it in. Take your toys and go home, boys. The GOP doesn’t need you.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

I think Ted Cruz would take “punk” as a term of endearment. http://unsavoryagents.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/cruz_small.jpg Bart, I’d love to hear you explain how Trump’s positions are in line with traditional conservative values. From what I heard last night and on the campaign trail, he’s calling for: – an even stronger executive branch, – expanded federal powers in law enforcement, – a rejection of free trade and a protectionist foreign policy far beyond anything the GOP has ever advocated for, – an abandonment of our traditional post-WWII alliance structure, – a rejection of American exceptionalism and a leadership role in international affairs, –… Read more »

John Konop
John Konop

You could post the same on Hillary with some issues as well?

Supports private prisons

94 Crime Bill/War on Drugs supporter

Trade deals that hurt working class people

Wall Street friendly

War Hawk/Neocon

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Hillary’s differences are ones of degree, not wholesale departures from longstanding party orthodoxy. But, for old times sake, I’ll answer the riddle to cross your bridge: – Hillary has said on the campaign trail that she would move to end private prisons. – The ’94 crime bill passed House and Senate comprised of Democratic majorities and was signed by a Democratic POTUS. Bernie Sanders voted for the darn thing. Nothing about that position deviated from mainstream Democratic positions at the time. Second, she has stated that portions of the bill need to be revisited and corrected, particularly sentencing for non-violent… Read more »

John Konop
John Konop

Hillary said one thing and did another…….Like all the issues…..just one example…..

……….After The Intercept revealed that the Clinton campaign had received campaign donations from private prison lobbyists, a number of activist groups confronted Clinton, leading her to announce that she would no longer accept the money and later declaring that “we should end private prisons and private detention centers.”………

Private Prison CEO Unconcerned About Hillary Clinton’s Pledge to End His Industry

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/27/private-prison-trump-clinton/

John Konop
John Konop

After Doubts, Economists Find China Kills U.S. Factory Jobs

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-06-18/after-doubting-economists-find-china-killing-u-s-factory-jobs

Just facts not your spin……….

Bart
Bart

ACP, love the link, perfect. Regarding Trump, his positions are obviously not completely in line with ‘traditional conservative values’ if that defines the old GOP that lost (popular vote) 5 of the last 6 presidential elections. He didn’t mention abortion last night but reached out to LGBT folks directly, something that never happens during a GOP acceptance speech. But I do think it can be argued that he takes a ‘conservative’ approach when he calls for: – less bureaucracy, all dept heads must justify their budgets/personnel – lower, simpler tax system with fewer special interest deductions – re-negotiation of certain… Read more »

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Thanks, Bart. That was the answer I was looking for. After 2012, the GOP came out and said they needed a new direction. I guess this is it.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

The elephant in the room on free(r) trade is that it has resulted in a massive overall reduction in poverty and extreme poverty worldwide. It’s been a little of a leveling given the poverty reduction has occurred in some measure at the expense of the American worker. The manufacturing jobs that left for the most part can’t come back. People are in denial if they think abrogating international agreements and imposing tariffs will bring them back. We’re going to have to turn back increasing income inequality and increase the middle class in other ways. Trump supporter think his bluster and… Read more »

John Konop
John Konop

It has hurt the world not just here…….This is why demand is down, people need to make enough money to buy the products they make. China is even more over leverage than the west! 2 hour workers cannot buy dollar 200k homes….Unless we fix this problem we will keep seeing bust and boom economics which hurt the lower 70 percent the most.BTW IMF has issued the same warning! From your post: …………The elephant in the room on free(r) trade is that it has resulted in a massive overall reduction in poverty and extreme poverty worldwide. It’s been a little of… Read more »

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

Boom, bubbles and bust have been a capitalist staple since at least the early 19th century, dating in the US at least as far back as the Panic of 1819 that followed the War of 1812. A root of the mid-20th century American middle class were changes wrought by the Progressive movement early in the century (of which the GOP was a part) and the Great Depression. I agree leveling hurting the middle class extends beyond the US. It’s effects have generally been less in more socialist economies than the US. My comment concerned poverty worldwide not inequality. It’s much… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

Also, hugely impressed by Ivanka. What a elegant and poised young lady. An upcoming star in her own right!

joe
joe

I really like the quote from Frederic Bastiat. It is especially appropriate during a time when both houses of congress, (and both parties) have historically low favor-ability polling numbers. There are a lot of people today who may or may not have lost respect for the law, but they have definitely lost respect for the lawmakers.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Black Lives Matter brand Trump a “terrorist’ after his law and order comments! LMAO! You can’t make this crap up!! Please, please keep posting comments like this. To quote Dirty Harry, “Go ahead and make Trump’s Day!” He’s gonna get a crick in his neck watching his poll numbers rise!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/22/black-lives-matter-blasts-trump-terrorist/

gcp
gcp

It would not surprise me if a Black Lives Matter member or one of their surrogates gets a speaking role at the democrat convention.

Baker
Baker

(This isn’t great blog etiquette but since it’s the “Morning” Reads I’m bringing it back around in case people missed it on an earlier thread I posted late to) I’m also weighing in since, besides Andrew, it seems like a regular Trump love-in over here… Rarely do I catch much from Colbert but last night some old man came on and gave a fairly interesting take on the state of Republicans and “conservative” media. https://youtu.be/mNiqpBNE9ik?t=283 Worth a watch. I’ve bumped it through the (very understandable) gloating over the demise of Roger Ailes and straight to the Trumpy and Lumpy portion.… Read more »

Baker
Baker

“And we threw it all away for a con artist from reality TV.”

https://twitter.com/PoliticalLaughs/status/756540296830259200

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

I don’t know that it’s thrown away. Americans attention spans and memories are shorter than ever. An eight year encore of the personal animus of the last eight, half a generation, will bake it in. Conservative ideas are at the mercy of Uber if Hannity, an entertainer saying what Conservatives want to hear to make a buck, is a vehicle. A recent Colbert or Maher show featured a collage of a half dozen hypocritical Hannity criticisms of Obama that apply to Trump, e.g. Obama’s lack of government experience makes him unqualified, yet today a guy without any consistency or government… Read more »

Noway2016
Noway2016

Gunman opens fire at Munich Mall. City police characterize as “terror attack.”
I’m personally perplexed and mystified as to who could possibly be behind this…
Could anyone help me out?!
http://www.newsweek.com/shots-fired-shopping-center-munich-local-police-germany-483312

Ellynn
Ellynn

Look at you citing left to center leaning news sources. Whod a thunk it.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Heck, back when it was a real magazine, I subscribed to that, US News and Time! I actually didn’t even notice that it was Newsweek when I linked it.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Terrorist shouted allahu akbar as he fired. Clearly the work of Mormon Missionaries…

Saltycracker
Saltycracker

What Trump got to without all the media filters and his verbal hyperbolic punches was to the heart of many American’s concerns. The convention showed he has some sound directional instincts and is willing to listen and adjust. The “wall” is hopefully a metaphor for enforceable immigration laws. The speech was a good showing and might bring some cliffhangers back to solid ground.

Those in the Clinton camp dependent on government largess and influential or unenforced laws will be getting out their socialist minions faster than a Venezulan rally or maybe an Iranian burning rally.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Nah, I think the it’s a literal wall. Because he’s an idiot.

Benevolus
Benevolus

It should be easier to get Mexico to pay for a metaphorical wall.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

The “wall” is hopefully a metaphor for enforceable immigration laws.”

It sad that politically informed Trump supporters have been reduced to hoping Trump’s pronouncement of the day is a metaphor. If life imitates art, Trump after a fashion is Peter Sellers in “Being There”.

John Konop
John Konop
Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Yawn. Did the DNC concoct the millions of extra voters who voted for Clinton over Sanders, too? Why is it surprising the party supported the Democrat vs. the Indeoendent who only joined the party to access their resources?

I’m more concerned about the fact the Russians appear to be behind it. Could Putin prefer the GOP’s intellectual lightweight to Hillary?

John Konop
John Konop

LOL…..you are a great apologist for the establishment.

Benevolus
Benevolus

Lol, this isn’t about establishment vs outsider. This is about sane vs crazy.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

You say apologist, I say realist. Tomato-potato.

Bernie lost. That’s fact, not conspiracy.

John Konop
John Konop

Just like your facts about Hillary and Tim support of screwed up policy, keep spinning….

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

You may call it “spin,” but at least I’m coming with arguments stronger than this: “2 hour workers cannot buy dollar 200k homes” I mean, what does that sentence even mean? I have pointed out, again and again, that the Luddite-ish approach towards trade that you endorse is impossible to achieve. You and Trump want to take the US back to the 1950s, but fail to realize that there aren’t enough Deloreans in the world to make that feasible. The world has, on the whole, benefitted from free trade. This isolationist “America First” crap actively undermines it.

Noway2016
Noway2016

“The world has, on the whole, benefited from free trade.” Very true. Our part of that world, worker-wise, has not. I’m about as Repub as they come, as you know. I’m interested in how we can make a better work environment for our own folks. Cheap worldwide labor rates surely make that tough. Can manufacturing really come back? Can currency manipulation be addressed? “America First” policies are not crap. You know that. Donald’s vow to at least try is music to the “Working Man’s” ears.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

“I’m interested in how we can make a better work environment for our own folks.”

One problem for the GOP in general and Trump in particular respectively is that that a better work environment requires regulation, not deals. Another general GOP problem is that it requires more power to workers, including foreign workers, the former being contrary to GOP principles for 30 years.

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

It’s not just labor rates. The decline in traditional manufacturing is also a result of increases and improvements in technology. While the number of manufacturing jobs is down, the actual value of the US industrial base has been growing, and doing so at an accelerated pace thanks to our success in transportation equipment, medical devices, machinery, semiconductors, communications equipment, motor vehicles, computers, and electronics. These are areas where the US has a comparative advantage due, in large part, to our higher percentage of high-skilled workers. That is an asset that a lot of countries, particularly places like Mexico, China, Singapore,… Read more »

John Konop
John Konop

It was a typo low wage workers you helped create via trade you helped negotiate, has created a demand problem. You keep making this about Trump or me…..but you avoid the facts, that the policy of not enforcing and or poorly negotiating trade deals is creating an economic mess.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/31/neoliberal-policies-have-led-to-inequality-imf.html

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Gosh darn it, you outed me, John. Yes, I’m the guy who negotiated all the world’s trade deals. Anyway, got to run Malia needs help with her homework and Michelle says I need to plan where we’re going for dinner.

John Konop
John Konop

You said you were an expert lawyer on trade deals?

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Expert is your word, not mine, but I appreciate the complement.

Yes, I worked on a few trade deals/treaties while I was in DC. I would consider myself knowledgeable but far from a mastermind. Enough to know that you’re peddling fiction regarding the impact of the United States’ trade policy.

John Konop
John Konop

Tell that to all the working class people who loss jobs and wages!

Saltycracker
Saltycracker

Hillary goes to pains to find a 58 yr old white guy VP pick to appeal to the disturbed and confused old white guys.

Dave Bearse
Dave Bearse

Some comparison perhaps to Trump’s 57 yr old white guy VP pick, except that the GOP already has the old white guy demographic in the bag.

Noway2016
Noway2016

Ok, Hilly made her choice. Yall’s convention is next week. She’ll get her bounce and the game is on. Message v Message. An August, September and October race to Election Day. If nothing else, it will be interesting.

Saltycracker
Saltycracker

The upside lesson for many with Hillary is if you are going to do something, make it pay by any means necessary and if you call it non- profit or charity, make it pay big, really big.

It’s a bonus when you can get a massive speaking fee with luxury perks, wear expensive outfits to bash the rich and scare them into donating to your non-profit.

Noway, that ain’t stupid.

Look no further that Cuba and the Americas to find the people’s billionaires. Evita and the Castros would be proud.

Benevolus
Benevolus

You meant to say Trump, right?

Noway2016
Noway2016

Dem email leak by Assange extremely damaging to Hilly. Bernie will play the wounded opponent to the hilt. As he should. This stuff just continues to be a gift to Trump’s “rigged” message.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/top-dnc-staffer-apologizes-for-email-on-sanders-religion-226072

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3273404/Democratic-National-Committeewoman-says-party-clearing-path-Hillary-women-charge-want-way.html

And Lurch continues to prove himself a gen-u-ine fool…Please, pul-eeeezeeee continue…

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/23/kerry-air-conditioners-as-big-threat-as-isis.html

Andrew C. Pope
Andrew C. Pope

Re: DNC – Ding, dong DWS is dead! Well… resigning, at least. Those e-mails you referenced were sent in May, before the KY and WV primaries. Bernie lost KY and won WV, but May was the point where he had all-but officially lost. I can’t blame the DNC too much for wanting to force him out of the race at that point. Full disclosure (for John’s sake): I voted for Bernie. What is “rigged” about a system where the candidate who wins 55% of the votes gets the nomination? What is “rigged” about a system where the candidate who won… Read more »