October 19, 2016 8:37 PM Home2016 ElectionsFinal Presidential Debate OPEN THREAD Final Presidential Debate OPEN THREAD By Lawton Sack 2016 Elections 23 Comments You can watch the debate here via YouTube. Share your thoughts before, during, or after tonight’s final debate between 2 of the several Presidential candidates. Share this:TwitterFacebookTumblrRedditEmailPrint Related About Author lawtonsack 23 Comments Baker Why does he insist on second-guessing the intelligence agencies which have clearly stated some of these hacks originated in Russia? October 19, 2016 9:33 PM Log in to Reply Mike Hassinger Look I hate Trump with the heat of a thousand suns, but for lefties, libertarians or anyone other than fascist a-holes to suddenly put their blind faith into “intelligence agencies” just because they say something that contradicts Trump and supports Clinton is some awfully hypocritical hypocrisy. October 19, 2016 9:56 PM Log in to Reply xdog Just out of curiosity, what authority would you believe that declared Russian hackery responsible? October 19, 2016 10:17 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope Amen, Mike. Why should we trust the same people that are brainwashing us with flouride and chem trails? October 19, 2016 10:40 PM Log in to Reply Jack Fitz Almost like putting blind faith into those “intelligence agencies” when we decided to barnstorm Iraq. Thankfully nothing bad came of those false pieces of intelligence…. October 20, 2016 8:47 AM Log in to Reply Baker I’m not a lefty, a libertarian, or, at least I like to think, a fascist a-hole, but this Russian problem has been going on for years. Mitt Romney correctly brought it up during 2012, and was sadly derided for it, but this has been known as an issue for years. Why does Trump insist on denying any Putin wrong-doing ever? He’s a coward. October 20, 2016 9:36 AM Log in to Reply gcp No winner here. Both mostly stuck to previous statements and policies. Hilly wants more taxes, more spending, more foreign involvement and citizenship for illegals. She could not successfully explain foreign contributions to her charity, partial birth abortion, her deleted emails or her “open borders” comment. She won’t alter entitlement programs but she will raise taxes. Trumpet wants tax cuts without spending cuts other than eliminating the ACA. His plan would increase the deficit. His foreign policy is unknown and he says his female accusers have been “mostly debunked.” He continues to deny that he favored Iraq War involvement. He has no plan for entitlements and he continues to promote his faulty protectionist trade policy. Wallace was a good, fair moderator although he did lose control a couple times. October 19, 2016 11:01 PM Log in to Reply Andrew C. Pope I thought Wallace was good, he’s long been one of the toughest interviewers on the Sunday talk circuit, so I can’t say that I’m surprised he did a solid job. I think the first series of questions were Trump’s strongest moments and were a chance for him to win back Republican voters that have walked away from him over his propensity to sexually assault unsuspecting women. The Supreme Court, the 2nd Amendment, Roe v. Wade, and immigration were just the kind of topics Trump needed to remind Republican voters of “hey, I may be a depraved fascist, but I’m at least pretending to agree with you on these key issues.” After that, I think it went downhill for him. It went downhill big league. Why he continues to straight up ignore his own intelligence briefings re: Russian intermeddling in this election is beyond me. Mike may be doing his best tinfoil hat routine up there, but every single agency in our national security and intelligence apparatus has said, with high confidence, that the Russians are involved in this. You know how rare it is to have the CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. agree on something? They know it’s Russia because we have sources within their government, we have the ability to hack their government communications, and we have a whole host of other ways to determine that Russia played a role. I know that he’s never going to be President, so I shouldn’t worry, but I’m really worried at how casually he’s willing to blow off high level intelligence briefings just because it doesn’t mesh with his worldview. You know who else blows off high level intelligence briefings that don’t mesh with their world view? Two-bit dictators. You know what two-bit dictators do? Refuse to accept the results of free democratic elections. I’d feel bad for the GOP if they didn’t bring this upon themselves. Reince Preibus is going to have to retire to some desolate stretch of wilderness where no one has any recollection of what a pitiful job he’s done this cycle. October 19, 2016 11:29 PM Log in to Reply gcp Trumpet should have asked her about contributions from Russia to her charity and subsequent State Department approval of Russian purchase of our uranium mines. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-foundation_us_58083995e4b0dd54ce37e525 October 20, 2016 8:24 AM Log in to Reply Benevolus That would have been another example of Trump’s overly simplistic perception of reality. There were 9 agencies that signed off on that deal- not just the State Department- and additionally state and federal regulators; the vast majority of those donations were made well before HRC was even Sec of State; the deal does not permit the company to export any uranium; the company that the Russian company bought has assets in Kazakhstan. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/30/donald-trump/donald-trump-inaccurately-suggests-clinton-got-pai/ Trump himself said it would be a good thing to be friendly with Russia, and perhaps this was an attempt towards that back in 2010. I would pre-emptively say that if we think our uranium resources are so sensitive, perhaps we shouldn’t allow them to be traded on the stock market. As it is, we import 90% of our uranium, much of it from Canada and Australia. October 20, 2016 9:09 AM Log in to Reply gcp The Russian deal is murky to say the least but I question why her foundation took any foreign money? October 20, 2016 9:54 AM Benevolus It’s a charity. They do humanitarian work all over the world. If a Saudi prince wants to help out why wouldn’t they take the money? October 21, 2016 11:16 AM gcp A Secretary of State should not run a charity which takes foreign contributions particularly not from countries that are not good on human rights. October 21, 2016 1:19 PM gresham brown We are so screwed. October 19, 2016 11:31 PM Log in to Reply Bart Chris Wallace showed others how to moderate a contentious debate. Hillary Clinton succeeded in doing nothing which is something she has been practicing with much success for decades. Seems to work for her so maybe doing nothing will be enough to win. Trump….missed so many opportunities to challenge the ‘nasty woman’ sharing a stage with him. But when he did fire back, he made good points. It’s a shame so many in the media are focusing on a throw away line about the election outcome instead of issues that were discussed. But that is how it works when 96% of media folks contribute to the dem nominee. Maybe a slight uptick for Trump in the polls, but this debate like most 3rd encounters in a presidential race will not mean all that much. Media will try to continue the election outcome storyline for a couple of days with Trump likely to add fuel to the fire. Clinton will go back into hiding as she does well and just hope she can survive the next 3 weeks. But first both will attend the Al Smith dinner tonight – http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/19/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-to-dine-together-at-t/ – maybe a few zingers to come. October 20, 2016 9:39 AM Log in to Reply Benevolus If Trump had anything more than bumper sticker slogans to talk about then there could be a discussion. He’s all “believe me”, “it’s gonna be so great”, “we suck”, “we’re so stupid”… there’s nothing to discuss with him. Is that dinner tonight going to be on TV? That might be better than these debates. edit: Answered my own question. C-Span and 8:50. October 20, 2016 9:53 AM Log in to Reply Bart He talked about her do nothing 30 year career, closing the border, very descriptive pro-life defense, repealing ObamaRobertsCare, renegotiating NAFTA, tax policy and other issues. I grant you he sometimes gets into a circular discussion with himself repeating the same lines over and over during a single response. But overall I thought he won the night since she was playing the role of Phil Ford in the old UNC Four Corners stall offense. Dribble, dribble, dribble…stay away from trouble. October 20, 2016 10:12 AM Log in to Reply Dave Bearse Trump’s is a sociopath. He utters the exact same lie three times, because, well, he’s a liar. Clinton: At the last debate, we heard Donald talking about what he did to women, and after that a number of women have come forward saying that’s exactly what he did to them. Now, what was his response? Well, he held a number of big rallies where he said that he could not possibly have done those things to those women because they were not attractive enough for – Trump: I did not say that. Clinton: — them to be assaulted. Trump: I did not say that. Clinton: In fact, he went on to say — Wallace: Her two minutes. Sir, her two minutes. Trump: I did not say that. October 20, 2016 11:48 PM Log in to Reply Dave Bearse Wallace showing ’em? Trump himself told Wallace in an April interview that Japan should have nukes. Wallace response at Wednesday’s debate when Trump said he didn’t say that about Japan? “Okay” October 21, 2016 12:00 AM Log in to Reply Baker I think that was Wallace’s way of saying “omg, this guy” October 21, 2016 10:24 AM Log in to Reply augusta52 They were both good at dodging questions, such as Clinton’s pivot on “pay to play” (Secretary of State providing favors for those who had donated to the Clinton Foundation) and Trump’s on the national debt, basically saying we could grow our way out of it with unprecedented economic growth rates. Or Trump dodging on whether he personally believes Roe v Wade should be overturned. Too bad neither was asked if there was a single government program that should be cut or eliminated. Both were also good at interrupting Chris Wallace, too many times to count. October 20, 2016 9:57 AM Log in to Reply CoastalCat So if Trump does not accept the election results, will the nuConfederate White House be set up at Trump Tower or at Mar a Lago? Florida still has a rebel flag on their state flag so that might be more convenient. October 20, 2016 10:29 AM Log in to Reply Noway2016 He keeps giving her so much ammunition to keep firing back at him. Is frustrating! October 20, 2016 1:19 PM Log in to Reply Add a Comment Cancel replyYou must be logged in to post a comment.