April 1, 2016 10:00 AM
Has UGA been given a heads up on Gov’s Campus Carry Intentions?
While Georgia, including the 80% that thought Campus Carry was a bad idea (even before the Day Care issue was raised), waits breathlessly to see whether Governor Deal will veto the Campus Carry bill, others are planning for passage.
Or have they been given a heads up by the Governor’s Office that he’ll sign it into law? Check out this screenshot below from the Orientation section of the Class of 2020 part of the UGA website. It’s on what incoming freshmen should do to get ready for school. #5 is interesting…
Too small to read? Here’s #5 blown up.
Good advice? Discuss below.
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I bought mine. The horror is even worse for me. I’ve heard “Fire at Will” numerous times. I usually skip my classes nowadays.
#6…”Georgia law now allows firearms on campus…” You may wish to remember that before you come on campus to rob, rape and commit crimes! ‘Nuff said!
#6 is actually “Memorize your MyID password”
I know because I just reloaded the page. It was down for maintenance for the last 20 minutes. Now #5 says something else. Oh well.
In fairness it may have been advised by lawyers via future liability issues.
College students have always been defenseless shooting targets for robbers, thieves, rapist, thugs, gangs and Islamists. If the Campus Carry bill is signed by Deal, then at least some of them will be able to fight back to defend themselves and others. How is allowing someone to exercise their basic human right to self defense a bad thing?
+100000 It’s not a bad thing. It’s your Constitutional Right.
We have entered into a new dimension of stupidity.
I agree. As evidenced by your comment.
Those tabs – ALL those tabs – are making me twitchy. It’s like the tab equivalent of the 76,842 unread emails that taunt me from my mom’s iPhone screen.
Is anyone else old enough to remember when we had…wait for it…. shooting clubs…at out high schools?!?
And we have wuss professors quitting because of this new law? Un-freaking-believable! Don’t let the door hit you on your wussie little backside on the way out!
I will be applying for a campus gun store. In the interest of MAD we will even offer the Glock 18 machine pistol. They aren’t practical worth a damn but are beyond cool. For the coeds our bullet resistant wear will include the Kate Beckinsale line of skin hugging leather. Augmentable for any, um, augmentations but fair warning, the Glocks are a must to accessorize the ensemble. In the back we will have a firing range with a choice of targets like professors and opposing football coaches. ATF isn’t allowing grenade launchers yet but we may be able to work something out within Georgia’s fireworks code. So, just wait, coming soon, Bulldawg Campus Guns & Gear.
(I still would like to see Stefan’s Cobb bus jump idea come to fruition.)
Call me old fashioned but I think pulling a trigger is pretty “wussie”. If you can’t fight with your brain then the least you could do is fight with your hands. Every school shooter from Columbine to Newtown were bullied and picked on cause they weren’t strong enough to “defend” themselves against their aggressors.
Only when they found their cowardly guns did they feel false strength. I guess that works for some people. But they still remain cowards.
You’re missing the whole point, Jack. The Campus Carry law is designed for innocent students to be able defend themselves again the Columbines, Va Techs and other criminals who may prey on unarmed students.
Hey Noway2016:
I would have enjoyed a shooting club at school, of course we did not have shootings as a regular news staple then, either.
Maybe we could agree that those people who work at schools ought not have to be armed, trained, and ready to use deadly force as a condition of employment.
I would descend to name calling, as you do, but that would be an affront to knuckle-draggers and window-lickers, everywhere.
You don’t like name calling, bridge? Did you not imply in your first comment that folks who supported the law were stupid? If not, what was the meaning in your comment?
I’ve never heard the term “window licker.” What is that?
The story reminds me of a co-worker that asked my boss to return “Mr. L. Fants” call @ (404) 624-5600, or the radio station that convinced its listeners that the city water department needed all the residents to flush their toilet at noon to free the stuck alligator out of the sewer line. UGA supplicants are not alone – The Technique in decades past always manage to snare a few unwary Tech students on this date. Enjoy all the April Fool’s shenanigans.
By the way, the phone number is for the Atlanta zoo and it gets plenty of returned calls for mister elephant.
Actually Noway2016, my comment was sufficiently ambiguous to where one could take it either way. You chose correctly – I oppose the law. It takes a very long bridge to connect my comment to calling supporters stupid.
But let’s not quibble – The law is stupid, dangerous, and unnecessary, at best. Plus, this law is pol election year pandering. God, Guns, Gayz, Get It? Same show, different URL.
I suspect the Governor will VETO Campus Carry as a potential public menace.
Noway16 I don’t doubt for a moment that we could easily chat, agree on many, many important matters – We probably vote in a like-kind manner. Let’s see if we can disagree, in an agreeable manner.
Here’s a point that this law misses entirely – Why is the academic workplace any different than a corporate office, retail store, or any other job?
In virtually every workplace, except where carrying a weapon is a job requirement, they are not allowed. Stay with me here. . . .
So proponents of Campus Carry feel that academic administrators, staff, and educators have LESS RIGHTS than any other employee in a similarly situated position of gainful employment, Yes or No?
Second point, allowing students to arm themselves implies that the academic workplace cannot be secured. At GSU the security is so lax that anyone off the street can get into the library or even use the restroom. GA Tech is surrounded by Home Park, a rough neck of the woods. Let’s work on campus security and cleaning up Home Park, instead of making the academic workplace different from every other workplace.
Perhaps you never went to college (which is OK), or you have forgotten that experience in terms of the type of unstable folks that attend school. I recall there is always some unfortunate kid who is a whack-a-doodle in need of serious psych help. College kids hear the word “no” at college, sometimes for the first time. College has loves, broken hearts, drugs, alcohol, fraternities, and gangs, which all add to psych pressure. Emotions run high at college, where the Emotional Quotient is lower than any other workplace, due to age and inexperience.
The human brain is not fully developed until 25, but allowing 21 year olds legal access to legal deadly force where all of the above factors are present actually makes sense to you?
I would not send my honors student, who is a top athlete, to a State that allows Campus Carry. Oh wait, they would not go. Not that we need great students or athletes or anything like that.
How about taking a moment to consider what happens after you kill a person, tough guy? You are changed forever. Bank it. Some may cope just fine and not lose a wink of sleep. Others will have a lifetime of night sweats, sheer terror, increased potential for substance abuse, and depression. These are the gamut of post traumatic stress symptoms.
I wrote about all of this to Governor Deal and pray that he can navigate the political maelstrom and VETO unfortunate law.
And if anyone felt like I called them stupid, I am sorry.
“In virtually every workplace, except where carrying a weapon is a job requirement, they are not allowed…”
Not Allowed? By whom? At the most it may be PRIVATE company POLICY only, it certainly is not law.
So, if one was of a mind, he could carry a weapon (into work at say, Macy’s…) get fired, then sue the s**t out of Macy’s for firing him. I’d actually like to see that litigated. That pesky ‘ol 2nd Amendment thingy…
The reason for this legislation being proposed is that kids at Tech, as an example, are getting robbed and assaulted frequently. Maybe they’re tired of feeling insecure and threatened. Maybe the predators might be a wee bit less predatory if they may get themselves shot.
What else? Oh, I had a shotgun in my closet at my first school and a pistol in my car when I finished at at UGA.
What else? Oh, I love this one…”The human brain is not fully developed until 25, but allowing 21 year olds legal access to legal deadly force where all of the above factors are present actually makes sense to you?” If so, then why are kids allowed into the armed services at 17 or 18? They are trained to use deadly force and many do these days over in the Middle East. So, yes, I’m very comfortable with them having guns. Or why don’t you suggest to Obama to raise the Selective Service registration requirement age to 25?
Tough guy? LOL! Really? I have been a kidnap target twice in my life. The one’s doing the surveillance/targeting didn’t seem to be all stressed out about their end of the potential act. I don’t think I’d have been all PTSDed had I had the occasion and ability to defend/protect myself. In fact, being armed gave me a sense of potential security had it actually come to fruition.
“Second point, allowing students to arm themselves implies that the academic workplace cannot be secured..” And it can’t be as evidenced by my Ga Tech examples listed above. Cops can’t be everywhere and are defensive in nature, meaning they arrive after a crime has been committed. “When seconds matter, the police are just minutes away…”
I like my stance on this one moreso than yours. And I agree we could probably have a civil beer together at one of Charlie’s shindiggs…
Looks like UGA will finally give students trigger warnings.
“So, if one was of a mind, he could carry a weapon (into work at say, Macy’s…) get fired, then sue the s**t out of Macy’s for firing him. I’d actually like to see that litigated. That pesky ‘ol 2nd Amendment thingy…”
Dude, you’re 1,000% wrong here. Macy’s absolutely can set policies to prevent their employees from carrying guns. As a reminder to all of those out there, the 2nd Amendment applies to government and firearms only. Just like the 1st Amendment.
Noway, I expected more out of you.
Mike, please read again. I said that private entities had employment policies that forbade guns in their workplace. I just said it would be interesting to see that challenged in court by a woman , for example, who legally carries a gun in her purse during the course of her everyday life.
Good public policy has never been based on anecdotal evidence or solely on the personal experiences of a lawmaker.
Noway suggests his personal experiences as good justification for law, which is typical for political party types and ideologues. The rest of us will just have to hope that traditional, evidence based, empirical data and common sense will prevail.
Again, clean up Home Park and securing the academic workplace are far better solutions than allowing guns on campus, by right, IMHO.
Noway, you sound like an interesting fellow, why were you subject to kidnapping, not once, but twice in your life??? That is worth the first, and maybe second round.
I remain confident Gov. Deal will VETO CAMPUS CARRY as the potential menace it is.
I was stationed in Colombia training the protective detail of the former Colombian prez. The FARC didn’t take too kindly to that. We caught them surveilling me twice. They never made an attempt. It was comical, though, to walk around Bogota with a 9 mm in a fanny pack with everyone knowing it was there
Oh, and deal will sign it!
So you are comparing your military service to an academic workplace? While I am appreciative for your military service, my initial comment stands: “In virtually every workplace, except where carrying a weapon is a job requirement, they are not allowed.”
Finally, after his courageous veto this week, Gov, Deal may be disinclined to further rumple Party rulings. Nevert the less, he may show further fortitude in denying Campus Carry.
We shall see! And I was 100 percent civilian.